lemme see oxy at a lan and then i would put him there and riens is really good defiantly could be a hm

yeah its hard to rank yay on a role basis but i had to fit him somewhere he was the best player in 2022 by a mile. and i dont necessarily think thats the case for sentinels you could 1 trick cypher and still be among the best sentinels its more necessary for duelists imo.

giving an example i dont think a lot of people want to watch the bad teams play more matches which would lead to lower viewership for riot and a lower engagement rate which is at the end of the day what riot cares about most

i dislike sen because their fans lack critical thinking skills nothing against the org or players

i dont dickride yay at all i think hes a good player thats been misused and hasnt been able to find a role he excels at since chamber nerf took him out of meta and there isnt really a similar character to chamber. i dont value his duelist very highly and something hasnt dominated a year like yay has if his jett was among the best we have ever seen id put him up there but i left him off for the same reason i left demon1 off to be a top tier duelist you need to be able to play multiple duelists well imo.

bro just hates yay

yap yap yap lemme know when qraxs learns a second character

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

😭😭😭 entirely forgot about his viper was just talking about his chamber

okay who gives a fuck if he likes the agent get his ass back on chamber and i dont think we have seen him play any other sentinel and idk about washed he aint in his prime but he also hasnt been on a team surrounded by tier 1 players in a year and half and he isnt the type of player to just run it down and do well.

best chamber player by a mile

sayf has played primary duelist thats what im refering to.
kangkang is bait.
t3xture should definatly be a hm lowkey forgot about him.
victor dropped 40 on raze the other week and his team is garbage.
sscary is just wrong.
qraxs lowkey a kayo onetrick.
ethan looks dog poo poo this year.
cloud is permanently slept on the second he gets an offer on a good team yall gonna be glazing him.

stats obviously matter but dont tell the whole story and im not anymore qualified then you i just have my own opinion on what ive seen. im far from any expert but i am capable of vod reviewing and can play the game at a decently high level. if you have a reason you think tenz is the best controller im all ears.

i agree hes being wasted on support his duelist is top 5 in the world if you watched him last year on liquid he had the best regular season in emea last year and he was insane in 2022 dont know how thats an insult to any main duelist right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjATS_l9TTI&t=1136stext

a lot of these issues are still in his gameplay this year dont believe me go watch a vod for yourself and why tf would pros highlight this kind of stuff they are hoping he doesnt get better its better for them lmao also would seem unprofessional and out of jealousy bc of who their criticizing they get nothing out of it.

your just a tenz fanboy hes a good player with obvious mechanical skill but he isnt the reason his team was successful at madrid and has obvious flaws in his game saying i cant criticize how he plays bc hes had good recent performances is comedy. love to hear your take on why hes the best controller player without dropping stat links.

gotta prove himself on smokes or learn raze

TenZ is not in this discussion his micro decision making is so bad and his mechanics bail him out of his bad plays

best at setting up his team with utility hes a great support player and the only EG player to be consistent on a different team

hes not an initiator player he can only play 1 character well and thats jett his gekko is not good

hes not even good at the character he barely uses his utility i remember their was 1 map they played in madrid pretty sure it was sunset and he didnt pick up his utility once

jett 1 trick

kru is gonna do it

idk would they even be able to qualify if they went undefeated?

we gotta make a petition to get him back on it asap he clears runner

that is so fucking stupid jesus christ

Duelist

1. Aspas
2. Jingg
3. Sayf
4. jawgemo
5. keznit

HM: kangkang, derke, cNed, zekken, Miniboo

Flex

1. f0rsaken
2. d4v4i
3. N4RRATE
4. Victor
5. Munchkin

HM: MrFalin, rb, nukkye, saadhak, trexx

Controller

1. Karon
2. kingg
3. MaKo
4. valyn
5. tuyz

HM: marved, pancada, mindfreak, s0m, atakaptan, sScary

Initiator

1. Chronicle
2. Leo
3. heat
4. C0M
5. Cloud

HM: AAAAY, crashies, zest, Ethan, nzr, stax, cauanzin

Sentinel/Viper

1. Less
2. Yay
3. Alfajer
4. nAts
5. suygetsu

HM: Daveeys, johnqt, shyy, chichoo, meteor, leaf

their should be a 2 week break after every lan so teams dont get punished for attending either than that the format has been as good as it could be for 11 team regions at least from a viewing perspective ik pros want more games but realistically im not tryna watch furia play 20 games a season

yes if the team is bad they cant make a lan thats how it works

where did they say this?

what are you talking about??? their current standing only matter for 4th seat split 2 is a qualifier for champs not a champ point farm and whoever has the most makes it. champ ponts are a replacement for lcq and reward the team who was most consistent throughout the year. 1st seat at champs is not indicative of how many points you have.

championship points only effect the 4th seat if they were to place top 3 in split 2 they would make champs if they dont they wont have enough champ points in order to get 4th seat bc of how poorly they played in split 1

all of those teams can still make it to champs they have to place top 3 in split 2 in order to do so

GE would stomp furia

results dont tell the whole story acting like they didnt beat them 2 days prior and didnt look better then them the entire tournament

madrid gen g would defiantly beat any 2022 team what makes you think otherwise?

they clearly couldnt adapt to the 2022 meta what makes you think they could now? im pretty sure we can all agree 2021 was the lowest level we have seen the game be played at being a top team that year isnt nearly as impressive and fnatics run yes they had insane individuals but thats not all it took to be a top tier team in 2023 unlike 2021 if you took 2021 gambit and put them up against 2023 fnatic they would get probably a collective of 4 rounds and thats being generous. also lev and kru are not only winning bc they have insane duelists they are winning because of their teamplay and strategic depth but of course having players like that is gonna help. and your d3ffo argument makes no sense i dont even understand what your getting at. are you saying d3ffo isnt a top tier player so the fact that they had mechanically gifted players on the team isnt true? if anything that only proves my point that shows you the skill level it took to be a top player then was significantly lower to now and cherry picking gambits worst player to try to disprove my point is hilarious by mechanical players im talking about chronicle and nats. also my entire point isnt talking about whether a roster that got disbanded could adapt now im saying if you took how that roster played at their peak and put them up against a top tier team now they would get smoked is that a hot take? cuz it really shouldnt be.

i agree their are definatly a lot more hm but imo the competition has only increased over time a lot of people value who beat who and who won what trophy but i dont think results tell the whole story the reason i have loud 2023 over 2022 is for that very reason the league was more competitive during that time and they are one of two teams to beat prime fnatic and they did it twice i value that higher then beating optic in a lower skill level tournament and the reason i have gen g in 4th is because all throughout kickoff and madrid they looked like the best team in those tournaments and the rate at which they were improving was insane to me people will never give them the credit they deserve for that run bc they choked in the gf but i still think they are really good and would beat any 2022 team but i can understand if you dont think they are 4th but look at optic they choked 2 grand finals and your arguing for them to be higher and they were playing at a time where the skill level was lower geng is still a very new team and i think its only the beginning for them.

your team is dogshit

im not trying to take anything away or discrediting their accomplishments at the time they were the best teams but the name of the thread actual top 10 best teams and these are imo the 10 best teams we have seen play valorant at their peak not who has the most accomplishments

loud 2022 shit the bed in copenhagen and were competing in 2022. loud 2023 >>>> it aint even close

what region are you? eu?

fnatic also did a lot more and have looked unbeatable in certain points in time edg havent made top 4 at an event i dont even know when edg would have peaked they kinda remained at a similar skill level all of last year

exactly

really hard to tell since they have only looked like this for 3 games and got stomped by kru who 100t took a map off of and sen look like hot garbage. g2 honestly should have won bind kinda embarrassing they didnt with double pistols and map 2 they didnt care so who knows i think loud will take it tho

because they peaked when the level of competition amongst the top teams was the highest and their the only team to win 2 trophies if fnatic were in their 2023 form they would be the best team this year no doubt

yeah bro a war effected how they played valorant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 emea bot living in the past

they beat optic who everyone thinks is insane and one of the best teams in valorant i agree drx is a hm and its not recency bias i just value teams competing and doing well against harder competition in a more evolved version of the game if teams were only getting worse nobody would watch

failed to qualify for a lan in 2022 i rest my case

bro what? their good players thats why they are still around im saying the team at that time would not compare to any of the teams on this list you saw that with m3c, sen, and ascend who all failed to qualify for a lan the following year