I agree, but we need to see them replicate this in bangkok before we judge anything

my pickems are like sen beat g2, g2 go on a lowerbracket run and win kickoff

this is not 2021 mate. you cant just shoot. literally watch any, and I mean any person (who is qualified) \analyse the EDG games. all of the tell you that EDG played an extremely well macro game. Yes EDG have shooters but so does every winning team. If shooting was all that was required to be good, EDG shouldve won tokyo. but they didnt. why? because their macro wasnt good enough

It is a huge difference, I agree. but op's argument cant be "kk solos" its proven to not work. EDG need to adapt to the new meta well and they need to be in top form

please watch an EDG game in champs and not the vlr stats page

ive lived in australia for 9 months, I hold an african passport, my favorite league is emea, my favourite player oat is nats, my favourite team oat is gambit. Why on earth would I be bias to a year where emea didnt win anything. If anything I should be claiming 2023 and 2021 had the highest level of play

saadhak has emoted quite a few times

im sorry but you just have a bias towards older teams. every year the game is getting more and more figured out and the better teams get.

this is also low level bait. there is 0 chance you think 2021 or 2022 teams were anywhere near this level. prime 2021 sen/gambit/acend would get washed out and lose to any mid table team. Like lasts years Navi would completely wipe those teams. they'd be lucky to get 13 rounds combined

A team doesnt have to win two events. for example both geng and heretics did very well at two events. EDG did it at one, so people wanna doubt it and they pretty much ghosted the full year. If EDG do well at bangkok (top 3) I suspect much more people will believe in EDG and call the champs run legit. If EDG bomb out, people are 100% calling the run a fluke

2024 has been the best valorant weve seen yet. Only like 2023 EG and fnatic are comparable and both teams wouldnt top 3 level imo

the one legit reason is because theyve only shown the form once, so people wanna doubt it. The other dumb reason is because people still view china as weaker than the rest

just because kangkang is gonna diff everyone doesnt mean EDG will win
https://www.vlr.gg/312797/edward-gaming-vs-gen-g-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r2

Everyone in EDG needs to be in top form to pull of a victory

I mean my goat is obviously nats

but like the objective esport goat has to be faker

do any of you stream? maybe I could catch 1-2 matches :p

oh wait im dumb it literally says a discord stream

thanks mate

thankssss

thank you!

yeah the gum was definitely needed lol

yeah gonna enjoy it 100% im over madagascar rn

thanks :D

there is wifi in my flight which is pretty cool

im so good that you cant even find me on that list

"I accidentally guessed in water"

I won wdym (i didnt guess the correct country once in the last one)

thanks gang that was fun

Hello everyone soon ill be flying (7 hours before I get on the airport) from cape town, to johannasburg, to singapore, to australia. Wish me luck :D

Hope you guys have a good day

(btw I fat fingered the ? in the title)

I mean if he can shoot, use utility well and call to a high standard, i dont think it matters that much

idk tbh, if its that hard to utilise you (two whole rosters with entirely different systems and failed) maybe its on you and your inability to adapt.

Could lev use demon1 better like EG did? for sure. but I mean its also kinda on demon1 for not either being vocal enough or not knowing what he, himself needs.

look at his tejo again and tell me he is uncomfortable

highkey agree, looks awful

I heavily disagree with each of these takes except like jonahp on like skye

Feel like nAts need to show some more consistency for that cypher and viper pick tbh, especially in the recent years

JETT: Aspas
RAZE: Zekken
NEON: ZmjjKK
PHOENIX: Jinggg
REYNA: something
YORU: Derke
ISO: Alfajer
SOVA: Leo
BREACH: S1Mon
SKYE: Biank
KAY/O: Munchkin
FADE: Leo
GEKKO: RieNs
TEJO: free1ng
SAGE: d4v41
CYPHER: Meteor
KILLJOY: Meteor
CHAMBER: Leaf
DEADLOCK: Heybay
VYSE: Kai
OMEN: MaKo
BRIMSTONE: MaKo
VIPER: Less
ASTRA: MaKo
HARBOR: s0m
CLOVE: Smoggy

Korea has its own server but not its own client

Zmjjkk
Smoggy
CHICHOO
nobody
Kai
Luok1ng
FengF
Life
Heybay
Happywei
Biank
Yosemite
GuanG
Stew
Whzy
Vo0kashu
S1Mon
Swerl
Rarga
Autumn
AAAAY
Nephh
Nicc
BerLIN
Flex1n
Z1yan
Spring
Knight
Haodong
Viva

did some editing lmk what you think

I now put Rarga at 19, how much higher do think he should be

I decided to put Nicc above BerLIN

Idk, I rate nobody as the best igl itw, will consider it more tho

Really? I think FPX have incredible individuals and just have shitty comps and plans.
also do you think nicc should be higher or lower

okay, 3 people have said this. I am convinced

it really is the dillemma of seeing some of the other players go to international events that dragging other people down. maybe im a little to bias towards that. Like it feels really uncomfortable to move like Ragra above aaaay or autumn

I agree, moved him above S1Mon

im gonna put viva just below haodong just because haodong is a pretty experienced IGL and somehow has been fragging for TEC and I will prob take off juicy from HM

I wanna move Rb to at least the main list. but idk his recent performance hasnt been it

Where would you put him?

true im gonna move him up a bit

put him at 14 for now. I think he edges out stew

I was considering him for sure but like I have no clue who to take off

nobody is so high because of his IGLing which I believe to be top tier. S1Mon is lower because yes his utility is toptier but everything else is pretty mid icl

Top 30 players in CN

HM: Rb, SpiritZ1, Coconut, Juicy

1. Zmjjkk
2. Smoggy
3. CHICHOO
4. nobody
5. Kai
6. Luok1ng
7. FengF
8. Life
9. Heybay
10. Biank
11. Yosemite
12. GuanG
13. Stew
14. Vo0kashu
15. S1Mon
16. Swerl
17. Autumn
18. happywei
19. AAAAY
20. Nephh
21. Whzy
22. BerLIN
23. Lysoar
24. Rarga
25. Flex1n
26. Z1yan
27. Spring
28. Knight
29. Haodong
30. Nicc

I made this list but im super not happy with it, yet im not sure what to change, please mention anything you think is outrageous

Yep. NRG def are going down

you should post your own pick em, not the actual pickem link :D