Goat means "Greatest of all time" not whoever is best as of right now or outdated, this feels biased for more recent results
Raze should go to jingg or aspas
Yoru should be tenz or derke
Omen should go to marvel or tenz or pancada
Jett should go to tenz, demon1, or aspas
Reyna could also go to tenz or something
Viper should be Nats fs
Cypher also nats
Astra is boaster
Kayo "could" go to saadhak but I fw the Ethan pick
Killjoy could go to fns or meteor imo
S1mon could get breach too

The rr gain/loss in ascendant is also pretty bad. It's not as drastic as immortal but you lose 19-22 per game and get 14-17 per win.
If your good enough to hit radiant, you'll probably hit it atleast once in the act
If your good enough for immortal in ascendant it's just luck of the draw, even if you go onba streak you still get ascendant teammates in immortal and it's a shitshow trying to stay immortal or get in immortal.

The casters had a parlay on forsaken

Ascendant to immortal is harder than immortal to radiant, sure radiant is hard but atleast majority of people in immortal somewhat care, ascendant is
10% wanna rank up
70% already hit immortal and dont care abt their rank anymore
10% throwing/hacking/afk
10% no com brain dead run it down duelist
Im immortal now and you can easily hit imm2 with just some luck and a Winstreak

In immortal aslong as your doing good you can rank up, but in ascendant it's mostly up to whether ur team wants to win or not

beating a team like navi regardless of how you did it is an upset edg were a good team log off

you are not cooking please log off

whether they lost to t1 or not how can you say edg upset navi, t1, and loud and were a bad team. you dont get lucky and just upset 3 teams in a row 2 of which being contenders for top 3. no shit after they play a game against a team outside of their region they get better and learn, every team does. plus what else is a team supposed to say after qualifying for playoffs "yeah we were dogshit and lost to a terrible t1 team, even though we beat navi and t1 we didnt learn anything and are still a horrible team" ???????

whats china

dont make roster change
lose kick off lower final
do good regular season
choke playoffs
make champs
get grouped or 6th place
heretics are gonna have a great year lmao

bro this makes no sense why couldnt the lost against t1 have been an upset also????
you actually have zero iq, edg was a good team during tokyo kangkang was playing insane they beat loud, navi, almost won against prx and got 6th at 2 events, they were the 6th best team that year out of 34 teams keep coping bro im done

upsets happen bro, how did optic lose to to xerxia then win groups, if xerxia beat the favorites why didnt they win the event, explain to me where the confidence to beat navi came from if they lost to a 4th seed pacific team who were kinda ass.

it doesnt work tho
navi with cned got 4th lock in, and mad every event just got shit groups at both
sen originally kept the same 2021 roster
everyone was saying nrg was a reborn optic roster it had 3/5th of players and people even said nrg v loud was still el classico

confidence boost?????? bro your trying so hard to cope by saying edg was shit, they were a breakout chinese team, got grouped 2022, came back and shit on multiple playoff contenders, they were genuinely a good team, where did the "confidence" to beat navi come from if they were so shit they lost to t1

every team ever that kept rosters still shit the bed the next year, my point stands no matter the reasoning you give

my fault i didnt give examples of teams who changed and cooked in the original post i thought it was too long but i did in other replies
2023 navi changed and got 4th lock in , made all events but got shit groups
2023 changed, got 2nd lock in won regional, 3rd champ
neg picked up 3/5 of the optic roster, 5th lock in, 4th tokyo, shit show at champs but solid year
teams who change majority of the time still compete the next year, majority of teams who run it back play like shit the next year

edg were not horrible, they almost beat the world champ eg team, almost beat runner up of champ prx, beat loud, beat navi, and they beat t1 in the rematch.

and bro literally everyone said nrg was the new optic, not just me

i meant the 2024 navi they had the exact same fpx roster and missed every event then fell apart
gambit played with the exact same players 2022 and missed every event
fnatic won 2 events, went 9-0 at regional, 4th at champs, i think calling their 6th place, 8th place and not making madrid a failure for that good of a team, remember they played WITH leo for kickoff
prx got jingg back and went 0-2 playoffs then got grouped

brother it kinda is your fault why would i reload while im replying lmao i saw the original message my first thought isnt "lemme reload just incase he changes this dogshit attrocious take"

you said one thing then edited it lmao dont look smart
i replied for u bro

navi with cned did work, they just got shit groups, sen kept the roster and failed, and nrg literally was the new optic, dont act like everyone wasnt saying nrg was optic back then, they even said nrg v loud was el classico

gambit roster played with the same team for all of 2022, didnt make a single event
edg got 6th both masters and champs as a breakout for china
navi ran back the fpx roster in 2024 and did nothing
fanatic won 2 events went undefeated in split and got 4th at champs the previous year. surely a 6th place champs and 8th place masters was way worse than they were expecting no?

how is edg and heretics situation different than every other team i mentioned, those two do not have the most success out of every team there. but to anwser your question it does and doesnt make sense to run it back, sure each team was insane this year and had good showing but looks at the facts, there has never been a team that did good back to back years and still did great by keeping the same 5 players and coach. (besides maybe prx and fnatic if you count getting grouped and 0-2 at playoffs a good year) it cannot hurt to change.

loud 2022 win champs -pancada,sacy
get 2nd lock in, win regional, 3rd at champ

fpx 2022 win reyk - ardiis
4th at lock in, make both internationals but get shit groups

optic/nrg - yay, marved
5th lock in, 4th tokyo

you can say that it make sense to run it back but historically it really doesnt.

you can say that about every single team i mentioned look at everyones past results, things get stale, chem changes, people change, meta changes, map pool changes. just because it worked once doesn't mean its gonna work the next year. plus if u have 4 pieces to the championship core surely you can still make internationals right? doesnt hurt to change something.

teams that keep their old lineup do NOT cook, just switch atleast 1 player, even if all 5 of those players were amazing on their role you cant guarantee that same success, new map pools, new teams/players, new agents, new meta. too many variables, hot take idk why people have either winning regional or winning a event (besides EDG for regionals) I don't think we will ever see the same 5 win a title in 2 different years.
sen after 2021 didnt work
fnatic after 2023 didnt work
prx after 2023 didnt work
fpx/navi after 2022 didnt work
edg after 2023 didnt work until they added a new player
acend after 2021 didnt work
gambit after 2021 didnt work

the only team that kept exact rosters and still found success was optic/envy and they didnt do THAT much the year before they won.

zero ball knowledge liquid and wolves are winning both masters

That's still glaze no?

That's not even close to my point. To be a top player itw you have to actually beat other teams in the world (not during off season)

i cant tell if ur being sarcastic or not but biank clutched rounds they needed to win and idk where you got -16 in first duels that was the whole team, not just biank. nrg players have both acknowledged they through lotus and also said it was biank that really won them lotus

biank can be argued hes the only reason blg upset nrg in 2023
AAAAY was consistently a top 2-3 player on FPX while they were almost beating geng and heretics

kk, chichoo, and smoggy i can get behind but nobody is not the best initiator in china

this is objectively wrong i'm not even gonna argue hes not top 5

fill me in on the lore why does everyone hate them

like the best in each region??? or best in roles, because theirs no way ethan and saadhak is a top 5 americas player, edg doesnt have the 4 best players in china, and forsaken is not better than texture or meteor

boom lower bracket run soon

fortunately people saw it

they were being glazed heavy last year at some point and most of them did good for 1 event or 1 stage, then did nothing the rest of the year

not my point

tenz to me is world class, karon is the only player i think that had a year as good as tenz in his role, arguements can maybe be made for kingg and smoggy but without tenz sentinels dont even make it to madrid.

i think thats where the problem is, if their is a gap between people like aspas, jawgemo, eg demon1, leo and more compared to others I dont think its fair to call them world class because it kinda undermines what world class means, lets say last year aspas was on the 1-9 mibr team, and they still only got 1 win, I dont think you could call him world class even if he puts up good preformance because he would still be in the same conversations as zekken and texture players who won a event and were the star players

i wont deny they wont be atleast playoff teams but i still think winning titles is too far, if these teams played against madrid sentinels, champs edg, and shanghai geng i dont see a single brazilian team beating them, the farthest i would go is mibr beating g2,lev, prx, and loud ate their 2024 peak and maybe furia making it top top 6 like Fut did in shanghai

i understand they hype for rookies, im just saying that majority of these rookies people are talking about will not even be top 10 in their own region most likely. maybe top 7-5 in their own role with the exception of verno i think he could be top 3 in his specific role but I don't think hes even top 10 in region

IMO you can say a player is really good even if they dont have a top team (top 15 in region) but to say they are world class is crazy, when you say world class i think of aspas,leo, zekken,texture,meteor,tenz, i dont think of verno,primmie,cortezia, i know for a fact a world class player can still drag a bum team to atleast a couple wins because thats what jawgemo did with eg last season, Narrate for KC, and cleary 2023 loud was a bum team carried by aspas (as seen by their results in 2024 with the same roster -aspas)

loud 2023, you knew they still had the potential to win another trophy but didnt know if they would, if they went against the top 6 in 2023 champs in a bo5 it was a literal toss up it was fun to watch

real

youd be surprised the amount of people im seeing saying verno is top 10, even fns called him top 3 americas before ascension was even over

im a 2g beleive i think they will go crazy when they get spike for the regular season, their super fun to watch aswell, but for furia and loud, the last 3 years have been super incocnsistent, they make it to champs 2022 and ALMOST beat drx then choke, and lose 0-2, in playoffs, then they do decent in americas 2023 make playoffs, then 2024 they have a really bad first half, then okay second half. it's like furia is getting worse i just dont have alot of hope for them to be better than like a 7-5th place team.

i also mentioned like 15 other players, and players in brazil have potential to make top 10 but 1. their either too young, 2. bad teams, you cant call someone on a bad team top 10 ITW, or 3. its just potential, they arent top 10 YET.

like i said only 3 rookies last year were considered to be overall top 10 in world or region excluding niche groups like john being top 10 igl or s1mon top 10 initiator

idk what games u watching leviatan has a duelist that can only play 1 duelist, a 1 trick sova, kingg and tex are valid, and natank is unproven in anything, they look okay fnatic through their game against them and they arent even playing with leo, Na doesn't look good either only NRG looks good as of rn. Mibr is just a worse version of 2024 Lev

Furia and Lev are not better than t1, Geng, Prx 100% but the others can MAYBE be argued