had 0 hype icl

ewc is playing rn???? wudda

Sayf in his first split with Liquid on duelist is a top 3 absolute peak so far in Valorant, not just the insane stats but the way he approached the game and duelist as a whole, completely different than any other duelist ever, and you can literally see him playing duelist like a 2025 player in 2023, but on Jett

I understand the falloff at internationals, but I feel like that Liquid team was always going to crumble, in retrospect Nats shouldve been the IGL from the start and they should've gotten Shao or Cloud or something to pair with the team over Redgar - but maybe Nats wasn't ready then

nats is pretty much a smarter less who can IGL, like I said im not holding players back because of things like russian politics or bad teams

nats in my opinion, the second best player at valorant, just as good as alfa or leo in terms of match impact, but you add calling and more longevity hes gonna edge them out

the stats might not always back this up, but nats has immense impact on map control that cant be quantified

sacy bullied him into that

ur goat got beat lessons into him lil bro

could be a few players there but i feel like texture recently has peaked as the best or second best player itw, and in 2024 he was top 10

like i said i value being completely far and away not just elite but one of the best players in the world, and only a few players have been that, texture is pretty much inevitable

hes right if h0r0tics had primmie theyd have a trophy

even if what ur saying was true ( idrc ) i said sacy is the one who influenced how they play which is outside the server

sacy is the one who always talked about playing disciplined valorant and on sentinels vods he was the guy bringing approaches to the game

just because he doesnt call or igl doesnt mean behind the scenes he didn't create the philosophy that LOUD used to approach the game

comeback primmie and canezerra are here

double elim prevents fluking retard but yeah ewc isnt mickey

only mickey is tiny prize show event like lockin

I will not rest until chronicle being the most overrated player ever is gone

its like if people called scottie pippen the greatest player ever

chronicle is a #2 or #3 guy on a team, cant be the goat sorry

like i said if you take only valorant skill in a vacuum then you can put less or kangkang there

but sacy took the most undisciplined region and created LOUD which is one of the most disciplined teams ever, with three rookies and a autistic IGL

saadhaak is the igl but sacy was the influence of how they played and how the young players developed, why are we acting like saadhak was this disciplined valorant player that inspired how LOUD played

it was sacy, saadhak is genuinely crazy

CHRONICLE IS NOT BETTER AT VALORANT THAN ALFAJER LEO OR ASPAS THIS IS BLASPHEMY

deadass nobody says bill russell is the goat that mf just had superteams

if you dont want to include leaders then you can remove sacy and boaster entirely and add kangkang at 10, but are you denying the impact sacy has had as well as actually being, completely dominant in his role?

Sacy was the best initiator in the world in 2021 just had a shite team and in 2022 he proved it again, all that while developing aspas less and pancada, then with sen I can infer that he helped a lot with introducing winning pedigree to tenz zekken zellsis and johnqt - boaster had never won while directly working with new teams without established stars, whereas sacy has done it twice

trigger warning: not being a slut to superteam merchants

1 aspas
2 nats
3 alfajer
4 leo
5 tenz
6 chronicle
7 forsaken
8 meteor
9 texture
10 kangkang

my HM is boaster for his impact, although he gets minus points for only winning with superteam and s0cy, can be less too

this is a 10 best ever not a trophy dick measuring contest for superteam merchants, if you even try to suggest bumicle is better than alfa or leo at valorant you are mentally ill

players who have never been the best itw or have never been a leader of team wont be here

sorry d0rke fans, system players will NOT be here only influential and dominant players, derke has never been top 3 itw, and unlike sacy he didn't cause a BR revolution that ended in a champs win on top of be a top 3 initiator ever

texture would snap his wrist into pieces tryna hit comeback awp shots

they also dicked heretics down and heretics shit in liquids mouth so lets just say the fluke was liquid even making that game close

i mean lets not forget they won OT map 1 with two pistols + 1 bonus and lost second map 13-5

easy 2-0 for PRX in rematch

when will we see a more talented player than the Shogun of valorant comeback aka ryan gosling

tbf prime tenz was like from game release to masters berlin and he had the biggest gap the #1 player ever had over the #2 player itw

people like to downplay it because the game was new but its quite insane in retrospect that someone was that good in a streamer team, imagine he went to Envy after Iceland, would be by far and away the best player ever

do you know how rating is even calculated lol

nobody who knows the math behind it would seriously rank players all time with rating

just proves your low understanding of the game

It's not that termi is shit, it's that when things aren't working, they aren't working.

Luis Enrique wasn't winning anything with Spain, but he left for PSG and built a superteam in two years, and Spain won trophies with a much worse coach

DRX management protect Termi, but he'd be much better off at another apac team where he can start fresh, honeymooning is real and DRX just don't have the same winner's mentality that PRX have

Even though DRX and PRX both choke, PRX have this ability to be shit like half the year, then peak at the perfect time to make grand finals or top 3 runs. Peaking at the right time is something Termi can't do or doesn't get, and it's probably the most important thing in Valorant (EDG, PRX, T1, Acend, SEN)

optic fans who think yay was this 1v5 guy and didnt have the best igl, best initiator, and best smokes in the world are retarded

the truth is yay was the best player but only on the most broken agent in existence and his entire team played to inflate his stats, if you dont believe that yay was a princess go watch optic fracture, those mfs literally sat next to him with utility and did nothing themselves

if he swapped places with tenz same shit would happen

New split, new roster!

t0rmi cant help it

Can't wait for 5th/6th in regionals this time

genuinely want to know which other team in valorant would keep a coach that underperforms this long

we used to think VS would be a dynasty, win at least a few trophies, autumn, solo, alecks have all won now too rofl

4v5

aspas owns regionals and verno is grinding ranked until his wrists turn into ash

Art definitely isnt the only reason

I think once apac bottom teams get good management they will maybe figure it out, but idk emea tier 2 is also just producing more talent from what i can see

unless APAC has an abundance of larok loita sayonara (to name a few) level kids

People see that EMEA has been underperforming in LAN events lately, but imo EMEA is top to bottom the most entertaining and competitive league, and I mean 1-12, not pacific having 4 amazing teams

When I look at shit teams I think apeks, I think 2g furia are at that level, and i think zeta secret dfm and global are also just utterly uncompetitive in respects to their region ( I do think secret and global are close to respectable rosters)

KOI and Giantx are definitely not as great as the rest of EMEA, but honest opinions??

Am I crazy for thinking giantx is simply a level above Zeta or DFM?

just opened the interview and the first thing this brudda says is kamyk>larok

he needs a security team bro

im sorry but no matter how you spin the argument, longevity - consistency - peak, derke wins

kaajak is a better yoru, its a yoru meta, but when fnatic is no longer able to play this slow, i promise you they will feel the absence of the pure entry

larok and loita are very much like comeback, they just are not eighteen yet

liquid better not implode - because lar0k was going to be 18 this split and would've been arguably the better move, generational

not really

gambit existed lol, and they came together before they were solidified stars unlike fnatic

boaster only WON when he had four top 10 players come together with him, and they were all arguably top 10 when leo/chron joined, nats has never had a team like that lol

leo and crashies vs hiro - im sure you understand my point

rating is a sign of individual skill - im speaking about hiro being inferior in setup
 
chronicle was main viper,

Qualifying liquid at kickoff is definitely success, i dont know what youre saying lol

true

all them vibes and top 10 players ever and only reason they have trophies is because hawktuyz was a rookie

nats isnt a cuddle monster like botster or d0rke, not a cuck like s0yf

him and trexx will 1v1 irl for dominance like moose do

please stop imposing this "weak" culture on my goat nats

nats doesnt need superteams and top 5 players ever like "boaster"

trexx is actually the michael jordan of valorant

He actually joined specifically for champs iirc, they lost in QF at berlin then went flawless at champs

i personally think derke is a tiny bit overrated all time but this is funny to me

• Derke champs 2024 with a worse coach, worse initiator - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2097/valorant-champions-2024 (overall worse fnatic)

• kaajak with a better fnatic in every way - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2282/valorant-masters-toronto-2025 ( i know he was sick for the first few games )

Before everyone comes here with the rookie thing - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/353/valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-reykjav-k - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021

Derke at 18 was putting up 260 then 280 acs - his worst tournament was probably champs 23 which was still better than this k00j0k tournament

Keep in mind derke has played with way worse rosters every year besides 2023 lol

I personally dont get this like, fnatic completely changed their style of play, kaajak is nowhere near the same aggressiveness as derke - and dont let FKPR stats fool you, fnatic were always slow but are MUCH slower now, so ofcourse his rating is going to be better than derkes - rating just favors players who stay alive

overall, anyone who thinks kaajak is the fnatic savior - and not milan or crashies is insane

What is this revisionist history lol, liquid literally shit on navi the last two maps and serial had like two clutches those last two maps

was 26-10 in the last two maps omegalul

trexx is a better midrounder than patitek too, go check out how good vitality was in kickoff vs split 1 lol

plus his mentality isnt an issue - its a winners mentality, its just when you have derke whos used to boaster cuddles its hard to take valid criticism from trexx

not saying boaster doesnt have a winning mentality - but trexx is brutally honest same way people were talking about sacy/less

surely you understand that the best teams in the world have s tier viper players and pick it into comfort picks

viper is strong but it isnt something you should be forcing into, its not like sova at the peak where its suicide not to run

liquid isnt a development org there is no room for underperformers like serial

harsh truth but its the real truth - these guys are professionals the same way engineers are professionals, if you underperform as much as serial did at a top company you're getting replaced not trained

pati and kamyk have a personal beef, the same way NRG said verno was lazy and he grinds valorant more than 95% of pros

they need PR excuses - kamyk missed util in an important map which is true, but the other truth is that patitek was terrible on the attack half vs EDG and sold like 3 rounds himself - no team is kicking a player after that kind of a unexpected run unless its a must

in the end they have trexx which is the best scenario

spanish orgs lowkey profitable af cuz of clout

idk bout heretics

TH n0ts who says no

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