smoggy

I think its just a mix of their attitude and trash talk (which is fine) but their achievements do not back it up.

I used to quite like them as they were seen as like a dark horse with young mechanical talents that were fun to watch. But now they're known for being chokers placing second is literally every event and getting too ahead of themselves.

Few examples off the top of my head are:

1. Recently in a video Riens called Asaps the most overrated player in VCT. Fair to say everyone is entitled to their own opinions but realistically you don't see other pro players calling other currently active pro players overrated right. Also love or hate aspas all u want, but he has proven himself and have the titles to back it up (e.g, Champs win with loud, americas win lev, and more etc). So this brought many hate to them from Aspas fans ofc and just overall shitty attitude and continuous trash talk from heretics without having any wins just don't back it up.

2. In the same video the coach (yes the coach who idk is like 30 who you would think is more mature than these young players) called KangKang (ZMJJKK) overrated too. Considering how he LITERALLY farmed heretics in champs finals last year and won against them to claim the trophy idk how it is not embarrassing to say that. kangkang literally broke the bo5 kill record, did it in finals, dropped 2 aces against them, highest acs etc etc yet, the coach of the losing team, the one that couldn't come up with a plan in the finals against him calls him overrated. I understand his viewpoints of kangkang not GOAT tier etc etc and that's arguable and understandable from different aspects, but u got farmed by this dude couple months ago and still calling him overrated is just sore loser imo and not professional thing to say especially from a coach and not expecting karma / hate back.

3. Obv the monyet trash talk against prx couple tournaments ago and knifing prx. obv prx got the win at the end and trash talked back, and today prx won against heretics again so more trash talk was being brought up against heretics cause they could not back it up. Also losing 13-1 while coming in saying things like wanting revenge etc is just funny.

4. Disappointing results, keep getting 2nd / being overrated.

Overall, they're young players who is fun to watch but definitely get too carried away while not having the achievements to back it up. From the examples above you can see they literally have trash talked a lot of big names and every region lol and I think as a team they r the biggest trash talkers (not really on stage like boostio) but just attitude problems and not closing their mouth when they have to and just play the game and get the wins before they can back it up.