what ur saying makes a lot of sense but the upper finals as someone above pointed out had derke(one of the most consistent duelists of his time) massively underperforming

the score in the Upper finals was
LOTUS: 13-3 in FNC's favor where everyone dragged
Fracture: 13-9 in EG's favor where derke went 13/17
Split: 13-11 in FNC's favor where derke went 11/22 and leo had to carry FNC

I think the nerfed EG claims are going a bit too far as are the FNC burnout claims(including the one I made). FNC did suffer a burnout but it shouldn't have had as much of an impact that it did. as for EG suffering a burnout they basically didn't play Lock//in where they got knocked out second round by talon. FNC did play an extra event but the burnout is an overplayed card

as for the EG nerf claim yes, they did play with a slight nerf where they would have been behind at the start of the tournament but I'm pretty sure(I could be wrong) that they played split 1 with demon1 so it couldn't have been that much of a change to go back and play with him again. by the end of the tournament I think they had gotten settled and were all able to perform at their peak.

the GF was a close affair if you look at the maps where FNC had to make a small come back from 12-9 in the end to get the 3-0 but everyone on FNC was criminally underperforming till the end where alfa and derke went ballistic on bind.

as for the lotus issue I haven't really researched on it and dotn want to so I'm gonna trust your word for it.

in the end I think they both were the top 2 teams on the scene that year and the EG>FNC or FNC>EG is just an opinion in the end.
they both probably get grouped by the current GenG, TH and SEN

fair enough

naaa its tooo early for that.

naaa karon and reins clear

sure bro have fun.

idk man its not easy ranking teams like this lol. you get a lot of conflicting opinions and these rankings are based on my opinion.

bro u do realise that the difference between using kay/o and a kill joy is different right? like bro u really need to visit a neurosurgeon to get that clot in your brain removed cause man r u dumb asf.
what we were talking about is the usage of Astra in Lotus bro who only talks abt one agent in a comp while ignoring the agent that LITERALLY lets you lock down a site on your own.

u sound like an idiot who cant argue without insulting the other party first and UR calling me a baby?! go back to middle school kid

also you do realise they lost to loud both times and not EG right? burn out is a a real thing but u probably don't know cause I'm sure you haven't concentrated for more than 5 minutes in your entire life.

i dont disagree but then rating things like this I kinda look for consistent yk

give me an example of a team who has won a masters and won champs. you cant cause there are fucking none. the teams who win always face either a massive burnout or get their starts read like a book due to how much of their gameplay is waiting to be analysed by every team in the world. FNC dominated every team in the world so everyone analysed their gameplay.

also in the first point why tf r u only v counting lock//in. where did tokyo and Champs go ? they only lost like 3 maps internationally when they made it to champs

also WTF r u on about? 100T used Kay/o in their comp LMFAO. get your stats right brainded NA fan.

4th point : movement while its highly debatable with the whole style of the game being different to that of CS.
gun wise: no, CT side in valorant does not have as much of a positioning advantage compared to that of CS but that in part can be blamed to shitty attack sided maps like sunset and abyss. but anyway if you give only 2 shot weapons like phantoms
to CT side then atk side will dominate. valorant duels are a lot shorter but I think that important because if they were as long as CS duels then the game would basically become a 3D league due to the agent abilities so one shot duels are important.
spamming through a smoke even when you'll know where the bullets go is still a spam. the spam mechanics in cs are better but if val make it so that the spam is not insanely random I think the spam mechanics in valo would be a fairer version(purely my opinion)
as for the last point, just no. i dont think that will be the case but we can agree to disagree and in the end only time will tell.

EDG are good bro but they didnt perform in any event other than this so I didn't really count them. i thought about it but decided against it in the end because who how dogshit they were everywhere other than champs

bro FNC in champs had practically everyone of their starts read and copied due to how good they were. people literally copied they're lotus comp and still do to this day. FNC has a burnout and yet still made it to 4th so not bad at all.
FNC in their prime clear EG any day. their starts were broken and boaster is a much better caller than boostio AND he was also shooting that year.
its like this
Leo >>>> Com( I mean is there even a comparison)
alfajer > jawgemo(not by much since jaw is also insane)
derke = demon1 ( yea demon1 was a better aimer but derke was better at teamplay and created more space while entering a site)
boaster > boostio ( much better calling and igling while having good aim at the same time)
chronicle >>> Ethan ( again there little to no comparison)

1. GenG : they made every single final(except champs) possible. won 1 masters. they made it to back to back masters GFs and looked the better team than every team in the world. crashed out in groups to the disappointment of fans but it was ina group of death with 2 eventual top 4 teams.

2. TH : they crashed out in groups in Madrid but only lost to PRX(who got 3rd) and SEN(who won). they made it to shanghai grandfinals but lost in the end to GenG. they have now made it all the way to the finals of champions and are heavily favored to win.

3. SEN: - SEN: won masters madrid but fell off hard in split 1 thereby not even making a masters event. but they bounced back in champs and made it all the way to top 4 losing to the eventual grandfinalists of TH. they had a massive improvement compared to last year.

4. took a lot of deliberation but I'm gonna have to say PRX : PRX got 3rd in Madrid and 5th- 6th in shanghai even though they dropped out of groups in champs.

5. ~~its really between G2 / LEV : but I'm gonna hev to say LEV because 3rd in champs in worth more than 3rd in masters ~~ on further thought I changed my mind to EDG

If TH win :

TH
GEN
SEN
PRX
EDG(fuck it I changed my mind)

if EDG win :

GenG
EDG
TH
SEN
PRX

(credit to anguibok for pointing it out)

i mean they already did if you count shanghai where they were leading 4-0 on lotus and then proceeded to get 4-13d and 3-13. but that was against prime GenG soo....

hmm..
I think NA fans would still watch valo cause they're teams actually do good in valo whereas in CS.... yea I think we both know abt Na CS teams....
but I don't think valo is going to be asian dominated in the first place because ur gonna have a lot of the FPS crowd playing it. its not going to become another League of legends. trust me

i disagree with the first point. util is not only RNG or random it can be coordinated and when used skillfully is devastating. yes, the gunplay involves many rng elements, but for me, the gunplay is at a weird state where its both RNG and precise at the same time.
for example : the headshots with the all the valo weapons feel much better, especially with the vandal guardian etc.. i really don't like the fact that CS doesn't really have a one shot rifle for the CT side thereby making spamming the most reliable way to get kills(from what I've seen and played).
at the same time it has way more RNG with the spread with a random spray pattern whereas CS has a set spray pattern.

bro they had a bad day thats it. the TH match was close but everyone on TH was firing and texture was not and in the match verses SEN, NO ONE other than meteor was even shooting back. those were like the only 2 international matches they played bad at.

naa FNC lotus was good although they lost in the end

bro the qualifiers were single elim so of you use that route then Madrid = lockin

• valorant IS more RNG but i think those variables add for more exciting moments that would be better appreciated if the crowds could get more hype
• valorant's ranking system clears and there's not one major CS pro/streamer who disagrees
• I mean if you think abt it valo is the rival to cs since they practically directly poach on the CS viewerbase but valo as an esport is more successful rn because they have a better image which enables them to get far better sponsors thereby enabling better salaries for the players etc..
  CS crowds are infinitely better then valo crowds and rn that's their only saving grace.
• idk abt CS in SA but its never gonna topple valorant in asia. most asian gamers are from like china, japan, Singapore, Korea, Indonesia etc and only like 1/10 or even less plays CS there(when you compare the stats to valo)

https://search.brave.com/search?q=hwo+many+people+play+CS2+in+asia&source=desktop&summary=1&summary_og=43fdd435d2b8664f32ba32
https://search.brave.com/search?q=hwo+many+people+play+valorant+in+asia&source=web&summary=1&summary_og=a21c5be27a59298438e8e8

hmmmm.... your opinion makes sense but i still think if you went back in time by like a year and told someone who watches VCT that the 2024 champions GF had EDG in it they would laugh in yr face. also EDG deserves to be there FAR more than find 100T does.

i meant was takling abt the usual timings cause not only the GF and end of playoffs yk.

CS2 is still a clusterfuck my man. especially rn with a fuckign run a gun meta. if only valve did shit abt their game and made the anti cheat better and had like an actual ranking system the game would be much better. it'll take another 2,3,4 years till CS is a major threat to valo.

also CS is basically only EMEA. rn it may seem like NA is doing alright but this looks very similar to the start of CSGO where NA did good for like 2 yrs and dipped. valo In general is played a lot more in other regions

EDG as well man. no one expected them in champs GF ESPECIALLY as the team from upper bracket

naaa i think the only reason there are fewer viewers from AMR and EMEA is cause the event is located all the way in seoul so NA viewers struggle to watch and for EMEA its midday so the teens(who are the main audience) are usually at school or uni. if the event was in like say EMEA you would see more AMR and EMEA viewership but less APAC and Chinese views. I'm pretty sure that if you factor in the Chinese viewers the stats probably only fluctuate by at most 100K.

plus valo wont die in Americas and EMEA. most valo players are usually from NA and EMEA anyway so the game wont die there like LOL did especially since this is an FPS game

look at my other reply after edit

yea but all does does not include the Chinese viewers if I'm not wrong so the real amount is wayyyy higher

bo u do realise that this does not include the Chinese viewers right?. like this event was held in china and still gets 900K without the Chinese views...... bro I think shanghai did VERY well especially since the time difference between CN and NA is like 12+ hrs at the minimum.

how tf do you have the evidence lmfao. did you like store that link so that you could post it if some idiot said you were riding the bandwagon or something or was that like one of your first messages?

bro what? Th vs GenG was like the 4th or 5th most watched GF ever lmfao. they got more than masters tokyo in peak viewers. get the stats right lol

bro what r u on. thats like saying oh FNC is playing thats the only reason its hype. the whole point of a champions is the stories and the shit you get to see .just cause your fav teams didn't make it doesn't make the GF less hype. in fact this is probably the 4th most hype GF till date(only behind(OPTIC vs LOUD, PRX vs EG, SEN vs GenG)

VCT cn clears on their own bro. they have that infinite money glitch. go watch EDG vs FPX GF split 2 

everyones talking abt kangkang and simon but CHICHOO is the rela goat here. clutching out so many times and ALSO top fragging to get EDG across the line.

no they lost and thats it bro. if you lose there are consequences the teams who made it are not they because they don't deserve to be there. they very much do deserve what they have worked for.

its kinda annoying to me when the efforts of other teams do not get acknowledged by others cause its not their fav team.

bro anything and everything can happen in this game NRG lost to BLG twice whereas BLG got raw dogged by every other team In the tournament.

we gotta wait. but i think valo is going to be a game where all regions are actually good. the reason amer and EU suck at LOL is cause the amount of people who play lol in AM and EU don't even come close to the amount that play in Korea alone le alone the whole of APAC.

but people play a lot of valo so I really believe that this game is not gonna have a extremely dominant region like CS does

naaa LEV deserve to be here. dont gang up on them for just losing one match. they're a good team and they deserve some respect

that would be
EDG
GENG
SEN/TH
LEV

EDIT: the list is not in order

your hottake is highly valid. that group is probably the most fucked up group I've ever seen in the history of valorant

i was talking only about pro. sunset is really funny to play in in ranked

he didnt even make the event so he's already home lol

at least pearl is one map and I mean it was alright. better than abyss for sure and we didn't have 2 dogshit maps

2023 > 2021 > 2022 > 2024(purely cause of abyss and sunset other wise it would be 2024 over everything but 2023)

flashback was a minor when he had sex with another fellow minor(if that shit was true). they were both 17 and the age of consent in Korea is 16 if I'm not wrong

naaaa this would have had wayyyy more clout with GenG or PRX instead of Lev

unless TH were cooking soemthing with ascent this is going to be correct

jinxed it bro.....

go tell that to them

i think the most dominant in all esports are the asains but in FPS games eastern Europe dominates

?????? what attitude ?????????

tencent owns riot......

ahhhhh i see mbmb