Won americas multiple times, Champs winner, 3 international grand finals.
Discounting that to "not winning anything" means the fnatic core are the only "winners" in vct history. Just an idiotic take.
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Won americas multiple times, Champs winner, 3 international grand finals.
Discounting that to "not winning anything" means the fnatic core are the only "winners" in vct history. Just an idiotic take.
DRX winning, I think Mako retires if they win.
If they win Champs, how are they not the greatest team of all time?
The only other argument is Fnatic, and considering both teams have been international staples, A champs + masters back to back > lock in + masters back to back.
Can someone explain how visa issues are a thing, but only for some players? Like how is vo0kashu potentially going to miss out on Champs due to visa issues, but the rest of his team doesn't have visa problems? The only logical thing I can think of is the fact he is a russian citizen, but can a country actually be stricter on visa applications solely because of geopolitical factors?
Nah, two-time international winner and arguably the best player (texture was better imo, though) on both the squads; Meteor clears.
Off role + Tier 1 pro play is just different. Could also be a team chemistry related thing, but almost all franchised pro players would farm T2 and do farm ranked lobbies.
24-3 in series throughout the year, losing to a really good team doesn't discredit anything lol, especially since LOUD is right behind them in the rankings.
Anybody who doesn't have that '23 Fnatic team 1 is just wrong ngl. They literally had top 3 players itw at every role.
It's not about extra profit; it's about guaranteeing sell outs. Sure, 5k seats could be sold out with a verification system, but the way I see it, they'd rather guarantee it. It's just common business practice, the more barriers you put in front of a purchase, the less likely it is that a purchase is made. Do I think its right? No, but to act disgruntled with this is just funny, like you're still going to watch the event.
Pretty simple honestly, LOL is a way bigger game globally than Val. They implemented a system like that at the biggest tournament of the year, because they believed they'd still be able to sell out. The fact they decided not to do that for this tournament is simply because they don't believe it would be big enough to warrant it. If you think Riot's goal is to "protect" genuine fans, then i'm sorry but you're deluded. Attempting to make profit (I don't think these events are technically profitable, but idk) is the main goal. It always will be. If that means opening the door for bots to scalp tickets, then that's what it is.
Tenz, Nats, Yay, and that's it. Those are the only people to change the way teams play the game.
Terrible take, he's on perma breach and they've played well thus far aside from this one series.
EDG 3-1 G2
Kind of unfair considering they had a two year headstart on their careers, but valid nonetheless.
The first time wasn't a robbery lol, but this time would be a crime ngl.
I don't think there's another argument currently; he looks head and shoulders above everyone else rn.
If he keeps up this form, he's going to have the highest tournament rating of any international event. Even higher than 2021 Tenz. Just ridiculous.
All bias aside, please go look at his fkpr's. As long as the rest of his team plays somewhat decent, he will always win the first blood battle (most of the time taking the most first fights in the lobby as well). Everybody knows a man advantage in pro play is super advantageous and most likely results in a round win, so having someone who's able to create that as often as KK is special. It's actually absurd the fact he has a .25 fkpr on jett (for reference aspas is at .18 on jett) + he doesn't have a single duelist under .2 fkpr outside of yoru (only 6 maps played on him). I mean I don't think people give enough credit to how often he opens the round up for his team. I truly think ever since the overall team level of EDG increased, it's become clearer this dude is a cut above the rest.
I'm done glazing now though.
Anybody on EDG (unbiased). It's super clear if you watched them play earlier on in 2022 and start of 2023 before tokyo. 4/5 of them went from being disregarded to being considered top 3 or 5 in their roles in the world.
You're right, can't wait to see EDG pull it off!
Leo is being carried by a singular year of valorant, ts is crazy. He hasn't played in a year almost; he's not second all time. Chron/Alfa/Derke/Less/KK all have better cases than him.
EDG, Vitality, DRX would lol, EDG and VIT could win too.
Just minimizes your input lag/tracking, cause more info is being sent. Like scientifically that's what it's supposed to do, but the change is so miniscule, it's impossible for a human to sense a difference.
Best performance, V3 Pro. If you're gonna buy a superlight, just spend the 20$ or whatever extra for the V3.
imo tho, shape is more important than "performance", cause past like $80, most mice you won't really notice drastic performance differences. So find what shape you like first and foremost.
w take, people don't get how difficult going +30 in a GF is when you took 52 FIRST FIGHTS. The fact he won half of those is just ridiculous too, we've never seen an entry player perform at that high of a level before.
Pretty interesting project, wonder how you'll be able to quantify something like that. Maybe looking into % of rounds won after 3 in a row? I'm curious to see what you come up with though.
Then do it for 3 months and quit if you haven't grown? I think 3 months is a fairly unrealistic timeline to gain traction on any media platform, but if that's your worry, just do it and if you don't see results, don't do it anymore. Although I think if you really enjoy making that type of content, you should keep making it as long as you enjoy it.
Yeah, but EG weren't really underdogs at champs imo. They had just went to the GF @ Tokyo, so it wasn't a surprise how well they did. But I would agree that they're similar cause they both won a big tournament then let players go and fell off like you said.
All things accounted for imo, yay vs. liquid at champs 22.
Still think going 17-3 in fk's vs fd's is ridiculous and going 30- 9 with a 2+ rating on a map 3. Stats aren't as insane as others, but live it was pretty crazy to watch.
It's pretty much optics. Game looks less appealing to viewers on a stretched resolution than native. At least that's the reasoning Tenz has mentioned. The device manager thing I am more confident was security measures, although super unlikely, but better safe than sorry if your Riot.
Worst tournament in recent memory (Masters Madrid). Had high viewership just cause SEN was in it and winning, but outside of that GF, that tournament was just forgettable. Not enough star power really.
Boss call going to get made, riot saw what happened last time aspas missed an international...
Logically it's EMEA, cause americas and pacific competition is so high that there will probably be different teams showing up to events.
Need to see how they play on other, non double duelist maps first, but like from what we've seen and on paper, they should be finishing top of emea no doubt. Vitality vs. TH gonna be a movie.
Lol i'm sure it will die down as the season goes on, but this is the first time we're seeing a gc player in VCT, it's a milestone. Can't be mad at it.
I said in the pool right now, so Lotus is the only map that rlly matters in that data. And its last year's data, from over 6 months ago... pre neon nerfs, pre chamber buff, pre phoenix buff. All things that will contribute to flash agents being mandatory basically. We'll see though, i'll come back to this after kickoff is over.
What teams run no flashes on any map in the pool right now? I'm fairly sure like 95% of teams have a flash agent in every single comp, so idk how that can mean no flash comp would be good.
Yeah, then they killed her immediately lol. Actually crazy cause it took them longer to nerf chamber even though he was way more op.
I don't agree, I think teams will realize that Yoru is a great pick, and that frees up a spot for an extra agent. Sure, teams could go triple initiator, and that will probably be good too. But if you look at the map pool, like 5/7 of the maps are attack sided imo. Fracture, haven, abyss, lotus, and pearl. I think it'd be better to invest in a defensive comp at least on those maps, since you technically can negate some of the attack disadvantages that come with double sentinel.
I was thinking how it was back when optic first started running chamber on every map, and then almost every team followed suit. With the agent diversity and balancing now, I doubt we'll ever get an agent that is played on every map, but do y'all think it can happen potentially? I think the only agent close enough to that level rn is yoru.
I think we're going to see more comp variety than we ever have before honestly. Double sentinel in this map pool is strong, triple initiator could come back, and with more teams adopting yoru, I think double dive with a raze/neon/jett might get some play too. I'd personally like to see a comp with yoru/gekko/breach, maybe on bind or sunset if it comes back.
TBH, there's really no buff you can give the stun without it being too broken, especially if they increase the bullet spread.
You're not wrong, can really only play no duelists on maps that have larger/multiple choke points available to attackers. There are only about three of those at all (icebox, pearl, ascent) and two of them are out of the pool. All the other maps have narrow chokepoints where an entry is almost necessary.
YES, if you're able to beat teams that have been practicing for MONTHS because you innovated the meta faster than anyone else, no matter how many days' notice, that literally takes skill? And it's not that teams haven't mastered those agents, it's that most teams think they have better comps without those agents. Bottom line is, a team playing an agent on 5 days notice is a RISK, and if that risk pays off and they beat the standard comps that teams have practiced for months, you're telling me that it isn't a serious win? If so, then no need to continue this.
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