I dont think that's true, because back in 2022 and 2023 literally everyone was saying that current val was peak. Maybe except for some gambit fans.
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I dont think that's true, because back in 2022 and 2023 literally everyone was saying that current val was peak. Maybe except for some gambit fans.
I understand your point, but I disagree with them not being good in a different era. If anything that applies to Optic more. EG could definitely adapt to whatever meta emerges, and if they stuck together I have no doubts they would have won Madrid.
I brought it up because of people in this thread
You're exactly right. To be convincingly better than Prime PRX, 2nd best version of LOUD who were still extremely elite, and a FNC coming off a repeat is so underrated by VLR. 2023 EG deserves so much more credit it's actually insane.
for once i agree with you. that entire top 4 at champions 2023 imo is better than the top 4 at bangkok.
A better comparison would be an NV flair, which doesn't exist either. VS is basically just DRX like how NV is to OPTC. That's probably why enigma didn't add it.
They had to break up because EG wasn't paying them enough. If they stuck together they 100% would have beaten SEN at Madrid.
Imo, I still think that team would have be really good in that case, because demon1 wasn't even playing that well at tokyo and they still were owning everyone.
He looked very good against mibr tho. I think he's not really suited to play entry duelist, that was always Jawgemo's job on EG. Put him on controllers, sentintels, chamber, or a baity role on jett and he could genuinely start frying again.
But the disrespect on that 2023 team in particular is completely unjustified. Just because the players peaked early and can't find the same success after splitting up does not mean that 2023 team fluked, or got lucky, or whatever straight bullshit people are saying.
that slump in 2024 was due to personal issues in his life. like i had to bring this up, but his gf was losing bone and extremely sick. it makes sense he could not focus up with all the shit going on in his life.
Yeah it's actually mind-boggling how dumb most of these guys sound. Like, the known ragebaiter with awful takes said something smarter than 80% of the people in this thread.
Did you guys even watch vct that year? It was so clear that team was head and shoulders above everyone else. I mean, they made it to the grand fucking finals at Tokyo while playing with a half baked gameplan. For context, EG were scrimming with REFORMED the whole time and the whole tokyo game plan was around him because demon1 had visa issues. They assumed he wasn't going to show up. They changed roles and everything, and EG were still so damn good and able to make it to the finals.
Once they were no longer nerfed, they decimated their competition completely at Champions. I said it perfectly in the other thread: "EG played some of the most tactical valorant of all time, everything they did had a purpose, and every opponent was gameplanned against extremely well. Their comps and maps were so clearly a level above everyone else, and their synergy and teamwork was unmatched. And among all else, every single player was playing at an elite level, especially demon1 who was unarguably the best player itw after champs."
Even if they played fnatic, they would have probably smoked them. At Tokyo they were extremely close to beating them with a on-the-fly stratbook, and not to mention fnatic looked a lot weaker and shakier at champions. Not just by eyetest, but at times they looked really messy and it was clear they were relying on hero plays from their star studded roster. Like for example, they choked 13-1 against DRX on fnatic's own map pick, bind. They went on to win that series, but it was so clearly not the same fnatic that could steamroll everyone like they did at Tokyo.
Loud and PRX didn't choke either, they put up a great fight and were absolutely elite, but Potter and Boostio outcalled and outplayed them pretty convincingly. Also all of those players were so insane that 2nd half of the year, obviously demon1, but especially Ethan and Jawgemo. And c0m had some elite utility usage and clutch rounds. The competition could also not do squat against his lurks.
Basically, yall need to stop disrespecting EG because you guys are outing yourselves as casuals.
Its so ironic that the only person who knows what they're talking about is assmolestia of all people in this thread 🤣🤣
No offense guys, but did yall not watch vct 2023 at all? Because the answer isn't loud or prx choking, or avoiding fnatic, or whatever other bullshit these clowns are saying.
EG played some of the most tactical valorant of all time, everything they did had a purpose, and every opponent was gameplanned against extremely well. Their comps and maps were so clearly a level above everyone else, and their synergy and teamwork was unmatched. And among all else, every single player was playing at an elite level, especially demon1 who was unarguably the best player itw after champs.
riot should be embarrassed
Impressive. We all might need to start rating him higher.
Top 5 might be a stretch, but VLR underrates her like crazy lmao.
We always see a random team emerge and become Gods, it's only a matter of time. For now g2 looks like the best tho.
For now they are the weakest, but they can still make a comeback later in the year.
We won't get it for a while, too many essential agents on some maps. Once the meta becomes very diverse we'll see it.
Nice try from them. Wish them good luck for Toronto.
naw, that can't be true. vlr has been mad positive these days. good shit everyone.
I guess, but I wouldn't worry because C9 and other similar orgs are getting reevaluated by riot soon.
He's getting played to play video games, I think he's fine.
it works decently well in college for bullshit classes, but for major classes it's really just a last resort.
ah yes, how could i forget about prime skrossi.
well, 3 masters and 2 champs is still better than 3 masters 1 champs and 1 exhibition event. so it doesn't change anything.
cheat on all the homeworks and pray during the exams.
You're exactly right. So many asterisks at Tokyo.
2023 EG is just the greatest team of all time, I'm tired of getting downvoted for this take, it's just the facts.
It wasn't even EG being inexperienced at tokyo, they legit were scrimming with REFORMED the whole time and the whole tokyo game plan was around him because demon1 had visa issues. they assumed he wasn't going to show up. They changed roles and everything, and EG were still so damn good and able to make it to the finals.
champs 23 was peak, but not because fns was there. it was the best because the entire top 4 was elite, and you had EG which were the best ever.
It is also worth mentioning that at tokyo demon1 came last minute because of visa issues, so they were scrimming with REFORMED the whole time and the whole tokyo game plan was around him. They changed roles and everything, and EG were still so damn good and able to make it to the finals. And then they went ahead and won the champions. 2023 EG is the best team of all time.
what #2 said. more NA lans. especially east coast pls.
he was carrying kc last year on his own. i think he'll bounce back.
I mean, if they couldn't defeat g2 and t1 in groups, they weren't gonna magically defeat them in the playoffs. Maybe you could make the argument that trace is better than sen tho.
nah they were wildin today talking about cuck chairs and shit
Optic and loud faced 3 times at champions 2022.
If flor gets picked up by a good team next year, her as well.
Yeah exactly, and every team will probably be racing to get her after apeks implodes too.
All jokes aside about emea, I believe teams are getting reevaluated soon, so GE and similar bottom feeders are most likely on the way out.
Jawgemo wins a champs and masters trophy too. 2nd to sacy.
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