Forsaken

Bro forget that this guy put Aspas below kang kang in 2023 😭

Nats 🥵

Lowkey praying on fnatics downfall then
Been too long since we saw a cis team dominate

Chron’s not leaving fnatic tho 😭

Nah bruh this guy keeps trolling himself 😂😭

Redgars a fraud keep him away from my goat nats
But Fr I’d love to see a cis/russian super team with cloud sheydos nats

I just can’t see how they can improve so much lol
Every time I watch 100t I’m surprised by bang though, I really feel like he plays nowhere near his potential and never has other than red bull

Can we get sheydos and nats together at least 😭
Save my boy sheydos he’s an upgrade to Jamppi

Agreed
Idk how good he’d be in toer1 valo rn but put him on a good team and he’d be top 10 Emea at least

Teams make players, he’s just needs to be picked up by a good team and handcuffed and gagged if he ever tries calling

Let people be fans
Sen struggled for 2 years but sen fans still had hope for 2024, same way nrg fans still have hope

He did not fall off, he just has never been on a top tier roster since gambit
Put him on fnatic/kc/th and people gonna start calling him goat again

Sorry for confusing language
I meant to say 2 examples disproving misconceptions

For sure
I mean could u imagine telling someone in 2022 that Leo was potentially the best player in 2023, or telling someone after loud got grouped that less was the best player itw?

Just an example, I see a lot of people equating team success to individual talent solely
Not all the best players are on the best teams and not all the best teams have the best players

It’s not that much slower if u use it for a while, since ur using ur entire arm to look around + demon1 uses like 30g mice

I get the point ur trying to make tho, I would like to see them play Vic on raze or double duelist

Tenz does not have calm aim
Ur argument doesn’t make sense, Zekken wins difficult aim duels and gets impressive spray transfers regularly

Example one (Leo is an insane fragger, not an insane aimer)

Example for misconception 2 (aspas/demon1 is not as good as a duelist as texture, Zekken, narrate, etc because he didn’t make a lan)

Ay I respect being a fan but calm down buddy

I’m curious why do u think tenz is a better aimer than Zekken?

1. If a person is a fragger, that means that they are a top tier aimer. If they aren’t a fragger, then they don’t have good aim.

2. If a team wins a tournament, the players on the team are all top players/top at their individual roles. If a team doesn’t win or make LANs, the individual players are bad/worse.

These are both cap imo

Granted I’m no where near a pro player but once u get used to sensitivities having a low sense does not make raze hard to play, Alfajer was frying on raze in 2022

Demon1 is just not a good raze, sensitivity has nun to do with it

Prefranchising nrg didn’t really have many fans so they were chill
Larger fanbases always have insufferable people

Should we at least wait until the year ends?

True enough, but let’s be honest Emea would have done the same if loud had won lock-in
I already see people referring to Madrid as a Mickey Mouse

Can u read? Their win vs loud was great but they beat teams that never made any other lans or got grouped the entire way through

It’s a Mickey Mouse because every franchise team gets into the tourney without earning it, lower competiton

I explained in post #5
Also kickoff is more recent so it’s more impressive

Yes, but it wouldn’t be as impressive as any other trophy.
Fnatic got to grand finals lock-in after beating sentinels (who didn’t even make playoffs in regionals), furia (no lans in 2023), 100t (didn’t make regional playoffs), and navi (grouped every lan in 2023)

More recent trophies are more impressive. Sentinels kickoff win is a lot more impressive than say gambits masters win in 2021

APAC - 0 😭
China - 0

EMEA - 5 (-lock-in tax)
Amer - 5 (+last 2 trophies buff + 2 champs trophies buff)

Amer > EMEA

EU (fnatic x2, ascend, fpx (majority eu players, Ukraine isn’t cis)
NA (Sen x2, optic, EG)
Cis (gambit)
Brazil (Loud)

Eu - 4(-lock-in tax)
NA - 4(more recent trophies buff)

NA > Eu

TLDR
NA clears

Emea includes multiple sub regions whilst na is a sub region.
Not a fair comparison.

Zellsis replacing pancada, tenz transitioning roles, new coaching staff, etc
Lots of reasons

Optic and paper Rex as well prolly
Gambit as well

Top 3 has to be him, Aspas, and texture for duelists I think
Maybe demon1

101

Needs 13 kills to break the kill record

Brought up a 7 month old thread 🤡

I think yay had 91 vs DRX in champs lower final 2022

Monyet 5? Bait?

Surely not 🤯
Do sen get map ban adv?

Hard to get it other ways when eu didn’t even make top 4 and we saw sen and loud play 6 bazillion times against each other

Ngl apac long overdue a trophy

Doubt sen would have gotten past nrg without tenz becoming thanos

Zekken and sacy also had horrific performances on split and breeze, and geng was clearly miles better on breeze
Can’t blame one player if every else plays like shit too, just cause he played worse

His gekko looks better than his duelist somehow, feel like he overheats less

It’s not cope at all, especially cause I’m a Sen hater (cause of fans)

Not gonna Johnqt been putting in a SHIFT this masters, leading the scoreboard and igling
Genuinely incredible how much potential he has

Tenz has a rough series, but he wasn’t the reason sen lost when they got blown out on 2 maps. If the maps were 13-11 or OT losses then sure you can blame tenz, but when no one is playing well, one player cannot be blamed. That being said he is still a fraud because he didn’t drop 150 and carry his team 🙄

He’s just letting his teammates shine
W teammate

Sen fans were trash talking nrg for losing to bilibili when they couldn’t make it 2 rounds in lcq lol