Why?

Playing significantly worse than he did in champs. With no real reason other than just underperforming. Nobody is igl, s1mon doesn’t need to frag his util is near perfect. Smoggy not fragging is honestly kinda unacceptable in his position. Honestly he was better than this last year when EDG weren’t good.

That’s mean to be a good thing? They still overall just played better than they did at kickoff.

Nothing to do with comparison to regional teams? T1’s calling was abysmal they were making way too many mistakes and against teams they shouldn’t be the level of play for apac was generally low.

EDG have the best mental in this event

Smoggy is about to lock in 13-4,13-5, 13-7

Nothing… they sucked at kickoff just a fact

EDG when they 3-1 them in grands.

Money is insane good from… what exactly?

Propaganda. They have to do that.

And you think KC managed to offer him more money than SEN?

No amount of money is worth being tied to C9. Waste of ambition and legacy.

You see how you managed to conjure up a fan fiction about me making a post about an org being shameless which references a person, which is literally just me talking about a person and forging it into some personal connection being made retard? THIS is projection you love him bro I get it. You really care about oxy on a deep and personal level whether positive or negative. Don't relate that to me all I care about is the talent he brings. We aren't the same you're a freak.

Then they should drop him, C9 will never make an event.

Stay in school.

Yes because I can retard, that has no direct correlation to your father figure oxy who you care so dearly about you freak. No one ASKED you to care about my love of the game, retard. Once again, my post has nothing to do with oxy personally but the org retard. Comprehend english. Once again, no everyone is as parasocial as you.

THIS account would be the alt... holy shit you're retarded

Yes idgaf about oxy as a person you retard. I'm sorry your parasocial mind INSTANTLY went there you freak. I care about the love of the game.

Not about oxy its about being a shameless org.

Keep your low tier bait to yourself rookie.

I never claimed it wasn't his choice, anyone would take which ever org offers the most money… However, what isn't his choice is dog shit management. This is about C9 being a shameless shit org, not about Oxy being some victim…

Not that simple. Do I think he wants to play and isn't willing to gamble he'll get another T1 offer? Yes… good deflecting of the question… Mr. Wet dream fantasizer, not sure where you got that from, weirdo.

Why do you assume that.

So you think he downloaded valorant for money?

Literally wasting oxy's career away on this team. He's going to be able to legally drink before he sees an international stage.

Why are you comparing demon1 and derke... You're thinking at face value... no one in their right mind is going to put cryo or yay on neon just because they're good at jett another duelist... Notice Yay-Victor, Cryo-Asuna/Zekken, Demon1-Jawgemo... 3 times and its a pattern then aren't the sole duelist... because they don't entry... thats not what they're good at... And a coach should be more than capable of realizing this. This is not how the game works, lmao. Same with astra and brim... you don't think theres a reason tenz didn't switch to astra for abyss or play brim on bind when those are objectively the best picks for those maps? Its not his play style omen enables him to be aggressive which he is. Brim and astra don't enable demon1 to be aggressive. It's not just tenz you can literally see it in the difference of how karon plays astra to how he plays omen.

NRG didn't have firepower, but it's clear people apparently saw something in those players that I wasn't seeing... SEN same problem with NRG brother, they had sacy on viper and omen...their results didn't match up because they're being put on stupid roles. That to me is not a failure. Because they were never good on those roles. Lev??? Are we being serious?

I never said that changed anything, I'm explaining why the majority thinking something doesn't make it true. You THINKING it's a super team doesn't make that the case within reality. Guess what I don't need to THINK they're not a super team, they PROVED they weren't by failing to make an event and dropping 2 players before stage 2. That only hindsight if I actually thought they were a super team. You thinking they were is irrelevant to me.

He played raze... and omen... random demon1 did not play a single game on either of those agents at Tokyo or champs, why's he playing them. There is no maybe Victor is mediocre. He had Prime yay, Prime marved, and the best igl in the world at the time when he won masters and was literally the 4th rated play on the team at that tournament, BARLEY above FNS... Crashies is good at the role not firepower. Marved ill give you, Ethan good at the role wouldn't consider him firepower .

Yes... and every single one of you were idiots... same way everyone said NRG would win kickoff and even bangkok... and I've said since the beginning that team would FLOP. Sometimes evidently... the majority is wrong...

“Everyone” half of the people here didn't even know who leo WAS before he was on fnatic and chronicle literally did nothing in 2022... you can't say they're the only successful "super team" when the 2 others haven't even had a full year.

Nothing is hindsight about Victor and Crashies being stupidly overrated. Victor has NEVER in his career been at the level to make up a super team. Sure, demon1 player random roles and Ethan igling is hindsight. But those are just STUPID decisions. If sayf was playing duelist AND igling whilst derke only play jett and smokes, then yeah we'd be looking at a very similar situation. Know one considered nrg a super team because Ethan would be igling and demon1 would be forcing raze... we're basing this super team off their previous performances. If you take them off the roles and positions they have on their previous performances... well then it just defeats the point...

What are “these kinds of super teams”? Vitality and T1 imo are the first proper super teams.

Yeah, idk what you all were seeing to begin with… crashies was good at the role, sure firepower? No. I'm probably victors biggest hater, he's NOT that good and incredibly overrated. Ethan was good not enough to carry a game just by fragging though, again just really good at his role. Demon1's performance is barely his fault, they just kept forcing him into roles he doesn't belong on. And marved was fine, but again not nearly enough to carry in fragging alone.

Why would you ever think that? Derke, Regional Sayf, and Less, just shooting them alone would get them relatively far in kickoff.

SEN got a map Trace didn't simple. SEN are inconsistent can be good, can be bad. Trace are just bad.

Not to anyone who actually understood the teams SEN were incredibly inconsistent that would have been decent or bad. G2 looked amazing, NOT the best in the world because that was EDG who also looked fine prior only losing to trace due to anti strating. VIT looks great but clearly not unbeatable, KC played a close game with them and Liquid beat them comfortably on two maps. Liquid just insane compared to what they were in the beginning but still not on top as they lost to vitality. Trace… Anti strat merchants. DRX looked great, but still choked a lot and made plenty of mistakes. T1 made MANY mistakes and didn't look good at all. None of this was a surprise to me at least. Other than the fact that I had DRX as being better than VIT, but they're extremely close regardless. T1 is the only outlier, and that's because they simply got better. T1 before going into bangkok WAS one of the worst teams here.

They don't need to ban lotus.

I don't think you need to play good the entire year to say you had a good year, I do not value a run in a masters remotely close to the extent of winning a title.

If you are at any point in a year the best team in the world, that's not a mid year. You have an interesting way of weighing title wins to say the least, agree to disagree on that front I suppose.

I'm sorry, so you mean to tell me winning the biggest event of the year REGARDLESS of whatever else happened that year is a bad year? We've entered delusion idk what else to tell you.

Would you say 2024 was a bad year for edg? And if EDG in 2023 wasn't a good year have drx ever had a good year?

EDG are absolutely top 10 in 2023 theres no agenda just a fact. Formatting being different causes a different level of 5-6th compared to now. Berlin.

They bought world champs mvps in 2023 didn't do anything. They then dropped one and picked up a T2 player... Yeah thats progression as a team. 2nd best team in 2024 and 2023.

5th once then 5-6th. Bombed out of a actually non mickey event in 2022 Missed a event in 2021. 5th-8th not as good as 5-6th.

Which only adds to my point, they actually progress and develop as a team. Fnatic don't. 1 Good year I'm not bias at all, FNC are just overrated. Maybe another year of doing failing to make events and bombing out will make that more clear.

Yes, “way” better is an exaggeration. The part of the year that matters most. Fnatic reign was also one year. Failed to adapt or develope.

5th is good.

They'll need it

Became the best Geng got grouped at the most important event.
Excuses
Subjective, Domestic trophies... Tears
Like a said 1 good year SEN 2 good years.