dang I didn't think they were that bad so I didn't include them in the original but you're right. as long as they win against apeks tho they're probably safe from the top 5 list

Furia is in the original post at the bottom
2025 Apeks: -83 round differential, 6-20 in maps, 0-10 in games

different teams

txozin 👻👻👻

I was watching the plat chat episode and the viewer question made me wonder which franchising teams are actually the worst of all time, so I collected the map and round differential data on all the teams that are generally considered to be bad. I only took official VCT circuit matches into consideration, so EWC and other off season events don't count but Lock In, 2023 LCQs, and Kickoffs do.

Statistically worst teams of all time:

1. 2023 DFM: -110 round differential, 2-22 in maps, 0-11 in games.
2. 2024 BLD: -92 round differential, 8-23 in maps, 1-11 in games.
3. 2024 DFM: -104 round differential, 8-22 in maps, 2-10 in games.
4. 2023 MIBR: -90 round differential, 7-19 in maps, 3-8 in games.
5. 2023 KC: -105 round differential, 9-23 in maps, 4-10 in games. (Despite having the second lowest round differential they also won more games so they're not as bad)

I didn't count any of the 2025 teams since the season is still going on but if I did, 2025 Furia would be in first with a -150 round differential, 3-20 in maps, 0-10 in games (this is over the two different rosters though and also not including their first kickoff game with 5 subs).

Oh yeah you're right I did forget about that part

Where are you getting 10 days from?

plus playing against the best team in the world 3 weeks before a tournament is kinda perfect>

So then emea should've done better at Toronto because they were still playing stage 1 3 weeks before Toronto started?

I meant the EWC top 4 all played in Toronto

But the top 4 were all in Toronto, and 3/4 of them were in playoffs so by your argument shouldn’t they have all done worse?

mfers will do anything but credit the actual team that won 😭🙏

Yeah I 100% agree with that tbh but it’s impossible for people to be positive on vlr :/

I’m sorry to tell you but this happens with every single popular team 😭

david chamber

let's go prx

what 😭

1/8 for putting in the effort to edit

0/8

get sean gares on this dude

please put amy back on senti... shes a good enough player to be decent on init but her senti is gc world class

Didn’t know who to choose between Yuicaw and Lysoar so we’ll see

Texture -> jingg igl
Patmen
Spring
Foxy9 -> Leaf
Kushy -> Yuicaw
Crashies

same thing was said during champs 2023

my fault man won’t make that mistake again 😔

Is there a specific reason why you want to graduate early?

No I think top 2 does go to ascension and circuit points were used to qualify into the playoffs

sleeping on prime 2023 KC Newzera fr

Gotta fund their active roster of 15 somehow

uh did they not literally just play each other

I did consider that but I’m biased so nah

J

Jawgemo (duelist/smokes)
Jemkin (duelist/smokes)
JonahP (flex)
johnqt (init/igl)
j0nggg (sentinel)

AG gets all 11 players in the server at the same time but still loses
TE 2-0

who's gonna tell him...

I labelled them as VCT rookies because this is their first season in VCT

I mean some of the teams have kinda tried right? global, dfm, talon, rrq all have more than one nationality and mostly make it work

yeah thats surprising cause I feel like there were more before too but now idk lol

I was bored so I decided to research some stats on the player demographics for next year. Players not on the starting roster are not included in here. Also I have no idea what's going on in China cause most of these teams are playing with more than 5 players or have new players not in VLR (AG having 8 active players is absurd btw).

Americas
Total: 59 (missing 1 Clown9)
Returning VCT '24 players: 43
switched VCT teams: 11 (heat, mazino, demon1, nataNk, nzr, aspas, n4rrate, bang, jawgemo, icy, yay)
Returning VCT '23 players: 1 (dgzin)
VCT Rookies: 15 (zander, v1c, mitch, raafa, adverso, v1nny, xenom, cortezia, mada, verno, gobera, zap, pryze, lz, silentzz)
Imports: 2 EMEA (nataNk, johnqt)
VLR Flags: 23 USA, 19 Brazil, 6 Chile, 5 Canada, 1 Argentina, 1 Cambodia, 1 France, 1 Germany, 1 Morocco, 1 Russia

EMEA
Total: 59 (missing 1 Apeks)
Returning VCT '24 players: 38
switched VCT teams: 16 (Jamppi, crashies, kaajak, runneR, tomaszy, saadhak, Elite, SUYGETSU, marteen, hiro, soulcas, patitek?, kamo, derke, Less, Zyppan)
Returning VCT '23 players: 4 (soulcas, kamyk, MOLSI, Avova)
VCT Rookies: 17 (socialblEE, PROFEK, chiwa, lewn, kaajak, xeus, westside, Avez, Ruxic, koalanoob, flyuh, Filu, RobbieBK, Minny, Click, florescent, hype)
Imports: 5 Americas (crashies, saadhak, koalanoob, flyuh, less)
GC Alumni: 1 (florescent)
VLR Flags: 12 Turkey, 9 Poland, 7 Russia, 3 Lithuania, 3 UK, 2 Czech Republic, 2 Finland, 2 International, 2 Netherlands, 2 Sweden, 2 USA, 1 Denmark, 1 Egypt, 1 England, 1 Estonia, 1 France, 1 Germany, 1 Macedonia, 1 Portugal, 1 Ukraine, 1 Argentina, 1 Brazil, 1 Canada, 1 Vietnam

Pacific
Total: 60
Returning VCT '24 players: 32
switched VCT teams: 3 (Foxy9, Meteor, Buzz)
Returning VCT '23 players: 1 (Sylvan)
VCT Rookies: 27 (Art, Jinboong, Akame, gyen, Athan, freeing, HYUNMIN, yoman, patrickWHO, UdoTan, Kr1stal, kellyS, Papi, Kushy, CLZ, SyouTa, Xdll, Persia, Francis, maragaret, Dambi, Ivy, dos9, Famouz, Shiro, NcSlasher, BerserX)
Imports: 4 EMEA (Kr1stal, something, Jemkin, dos9); 1 Americas (Governor)
VLR Flags: 26 Korea, 9 Indonesia, 8 Japan, 8 Phillipines, 3 Thailand, 1 Malaysia, 1 Singapore, 3 Russia, 1 Kazakhstan

China
Imports: 7 Pacific (DeLb, nephh, Autumn, stew, SWERL, Rb, Juicy); 2 EMEA (vookashu, Rarga)

Interesting facts:

• There are 6 players that are returning to VCT after playing in the '23 season but not the '24 season: dgzin (FUR '23, Hero Base '24, LOUD '25); soulcas (TL '23, Apeks '24, KOI '25); kamyk (FNC '23, Joblife '24, TL '25); MOLSI (VIT '23, Apeks '24, Apeks '25); Avova (TH '23, Apeks '24, Apeks '25); and Sylvan (GenG '23, TOP Esports '24, T1 '25).
• In the three original leagues, the number of imports from Americas and EMEA are tied at 6 with Pacific at 0. However if you include the CN region, then there are 8 imports from EMEA, 7 imports from Pacific, and 6 imports from Americas total.
• 75% of CN teams have a player import. EDG, Trace, and Tyloo are currently the only three CN teams without one. (funny how it's two of the top CN teams and one of the bottom ones)
• Continuing on the topic of imports, EMEA contains the most Americas imports, Pacific contains the most EMEA imports, and CN contains the most Pacific imports.
• Almost 91% (29/32) of returning Pacific VCT '24 players are staying on the same team. This is the highest percentage out of these three regions with Americas following at around 75% (32/43) and EMEA trailing at around 58% (22/38). However, Pacific is also the region with the most number of rookies at 27 (even if BOOM hadn't replaced Bleed and they kept all 5 of their players, Pacific would still have the most).
• 4 rookies have previously attended international events (not counting Ascension or GC): mitch with C9 at Champs 2021, adverso with LEV at Masters Copenhagen and Champs 2022, and BerserX and Famouz with BOOM at Champs 2022.

LEV
TH
PRX
FPX

No mention of RB for flex?
Good list tho

On second thought I agree with forsaken bc I didn’t realize he was still playing the harbor cypher in earlier matches. I want to keep rb tho because without him drx would surely have gotten grouped

LMAO

Ok yeah idk what I was thinking for crashies, but for zmjjkk I was basing it off of the teams run. Without him edg would have ended in groups. Same with rb and drx

The problem I had with them was putting the players under one category since most of them play at least 2 different roles. I guess I could base it off of their specific agents tho

Ok yeah now that I’ve posted it idk what I was thinking 💀 who do you think could replace him then?

Duelist

1. Derke: no explanation needed
2. Zmjjkk: one of if not the reason EDG were able to get as far as they did
3. Jinggg: stepped up to fill the gap that Something left and carried PRX through many rounds
   HM: Demon1: Looked a bit shaky at times which may have just been a lack of international experience

Initiator:

1. Leo: what a surprise
2. Ethan: the veteran experience he brought to EG really helped their run succeed. He can also turn up when the team needs him most
3. Com/Davai: both are solid at their roles, have great team play, and improved massively throughout the season. Unfortunately neither could turn up when it really mattered.

Controller:

1. Som: the firepower he brings to NRG is exactly what the team needs and has saved them multiple times
2. Mako: although he had a below average performance this tourney, he continues to be one of DRX’s most valuable players
3. Boaster: ngl I don’t think anyone really deserves this spot since the tourney didn’t really showcase any insane controller players. It doesn’t help that 4/5 EG members play smokes on at least one map, PRX mindfreak had an average showing, and most of the other teams’ controllers are their IGLs. Since fnatic won ig Boaster gets it for now

Sentinel:

1. Alfajer: he went crazy
2. Nats: consistently one of TL’s strongest players alongside Sayf
3. Boostio: I know he splits sentinel/controller but he deserves a spot for leading EG’s insane run. Plus his aim as an igl is very solid

Flex:

1. Chronicle: GOAT
2. Forsaken: his insane showing as a flex player in the regular season translated in Tokyo as well. He picked up the Jett in place of Something as well as continuing to play the Harbor and Cypher.
3. Rb: strongest DRX player this tourney, too bad his team couldn’t turn up also

Edit: com/davai > crashies , forsaken > victor

Agree with the first part but vitality is a stretch

hfmi0dzjc9z7 clears

Bro said literally nothing related to skrossi or GE 💀💀💀

He saw this thread mid round and decided to prove you wrong 💀

Wait since when has thwifo been on 100 thieves???
His name isn’t on the transactions page and he doesn’t have a join date.

https://www.vlr.gg/team/120/100-thieves