China is separate, btw. They don't count as Pacific teams

That also caused by Riot giving full majority handling of SEA to Garena for the most part, only recently with Valorant that Riot was directly handling the region and Garena being released from their contract.

Actually they do win a slot. The winner of LOCK//IN gets their region an extra slot at Masters Tokyo.

Unknown since China is differentiated as a separate region.

Equal treatment equal opportunities everybody will be malding once their teams are out. COPE

Yes

Not confirmed. There's no confirmation.

You know, most people who had commentes on the thread were VLR regulars. None were 'new' or completely biased towards Jonas. We just don't like the asshole behaviour.

There's honesty, and there's being an asshole. Maybe he had an off-day. Maybe he went into the game on a bad streak. I'm not one to judge since I prefer to build my own opinion.

The criticisms? Fine, that's your opinion and I won't step on it. But your behaviour? Not worth debating.

....some of the things I've read on this website.

Whoops I uh, I wasn't mad, but it was a hint of sarcasm with my words.

Sorry

because instead of changing/altering names minor or major every so often he should stay with one to stop confusing us, thanks.

so did you bet or

so

Fair enough

I mean you're not off the hook for being toxic but damn like I'm not gonna do shit if you're just a troll or smth (or facing me in bad mood)

They'll have stream lol, like us it's on the later rounds. Take the L

Quick tip: @mods won't do much except probably me grumbling to reply if you're just this annoying lmao

Yeah I have no doubt the viewership will increase as the non-enthusiast and people with maybe no access to YT or Twitch, I was just curious about where it'll be telecasted and whether or not (compared to BGMI being the longer esports scene) it'll be more popular in that case

I hate Brandon Staley and Lombardi.

Why do you do this to me

If anything like how LLA (LATAM LoL League) did, it's definitely an alternative option. They're not risking their majority viewership base

If it's like regular TV, I guess it could catch some alternative viewership base (from the non-enthusiast), but the question I'm more imposing is whether or noy the majority that would watch this hasn't already either subscribed on some streaming service (ie Disney+ Hotstar) or potentially just stumbled upon it online (where it's free)?

In my personal opinion, I think KR has the developing talent pool in becoming a decent top tier region in APAC. However, that time might not be now (if we were to talk about T2-T3 below).

DRX, NU, Damwon (Dplus), F4Q, and ex-ONS were the only ones who had inter-regional and international experiences.

NU became a fossil. ex-ONS has since been gone and some went to Damwon. Damwon alone didn't have the best of times in the EA LCQ. F4Q did decent, but it was clearly not long term. Out of all four, DRX had the management, resources, talent, and experience, to hold the hegemony that is "Korea's Best Team" just because they didn't change out their roster for the majority and they went to the most intl tournaments.

However, reminder that it took even VS until Masters Berlin 2021 to get here. It took a while. Valorant wasn't that rising game thay is currently ranked 3rd in PC-Bangs across South Korea. Just look at the current VCL KR open qualifiers!

New talents and old talents coming in, new ONS got knocked out, mid-T2 players in Rio Company are having a resurgence. New names and new teams are popping up (62 registered for the open quals.)

Besides the hodge-podge teams of Gen.G and T1 (who spent the majority of their time in NA and barely competing in KR maybe except Munchkin), DRX is the only one that maintained their status quo.

I believe before talent, stability will come first into the KR scene. The T2 scene is recovering from losing DRX, but they still have Dplus, NS, CNJ, WGS, Maru, and SPEAR, all local and proven domestic names.

When that T2 stability finally comes, I believe talent will flourish.

We'll add it later today. Been busy.

Yes

Actually, they're not some "no-namers". Solid T2 roster that has VCL experience. Give them some respect.

Funnily enough, all of these are new users. Besides the regular JPN people, these people are new

Maybe for the actual qualifier matches (Winners and Elimination)?

Take this L because clearly you cared enough to comment kthxbai

https://www.vlr.gg/event/pickem/1431/challengers-league-indonesia-split-1

I totally forgot, hold on

Fella; you are making an unecessary scene out of someone who is entering our world and is willing to invest into a team of 5 talented players and a coach; not everyone is a millionaire and/or voluntarily chose to take the gamble.

Everybody's gotta start somewhere and it shows with Toast streaming DSG's games with Tarik.

He did the basic research on knowing what VCT was and what it entails. Even some people in VLR still have no idea how do VCT actually work.

Chill.

VCL. It's referred as Challengers Leagues now hence VCL.

This is a common misconception ever since the format is revealed.

Challengers =/= Ascension.

Challengers are the same old Challengers we've been accustomed to since 2021. Same deal, same format (depending on the region), same action. The difference is now with the creation of the International Leagues, Challengers isn't considered as Tier 1 competition, but Tier 2.

Technically you're correct, but the more apt answer is that these games are a chance for teams to qualify for Challengers, where they'll compete in Challengers for a shot at Ascension.

So:
Open Qualifiers -> Challengers Main Event (Group Stage/Playoffs) -> Ascension

No worries!

I mean, you cared enough to comment

https://valorantesports.com/news/compite-y-apoya-asi-sera-valorant-challengers-latam-2023/es-mx

It's not complete dates, but it's literally all the basic information that was presented as it should have during the end of last year.

If you actually follow https://valorantesports.com/news and pay attention to the LATAM tab, they LITERALLY EXPLAIN WHAT TEAMS ARE PLAYING AND WHAT IS THE FORMAT.

Reading, people. Learn to know where the information comes from.

How do you think I got the information to set up the LATAM pages?

https://www.vlr.gg/event/1394/challengers-league-latam-north-ace-split-1
https://www.vlr.gg/event/1395/challengers-league-latam-south-fire-split-1

Correct

I've personally used AME, AMC, or AMS

Yeah, that's fair.

Nezko's right, Indonesia hasn't won shit at an international level. Or have they?

VCT SEA/APAC Playoffs can be defined in a basic way as inter-regional, you could also argue since it involves different countries, there's an argument it can be also counted as "international."

2021 APAC LCQ for example by Nezko's definition can be classified as inter-regional.
2022 APAC LCQ, East Asia LCQ, GXR LAN, etc.

It's an infinitely tiered system that can only be directly defined by context, but there's always a better answer because of it.

Honestly I would lmao, I was so close to calling both of you out for taking the piss out of each other and going in circles with your argument but I just couldn't bother.

Might as well anyways if Doggo and whoever in this thread are reading this (for all of you): You are going around in circles. Seriously.

You could be critical without being an asshole yourself, you know

https://valorantesports.com/news/introducing-the-valorant-challengers-23/en-sg

If you see the original Challengers 2023 announcement, you would definitely know and do not need to make this thread.

But yes, the official title is Challengers League South Asia.

Looks like a semi-locked Challengers League, which definitely differentiates it from the rest of the Pacific Challengers League (where there's invited/open qualifier system)

Yes hello we exist

Usually, it's for domestic/regional purposes (aka translation that might not have a direct comparison to the English version or to suit the culture and domestic fanbase).

I mean.

There's no stopping turning FGC into Challengers League China, right?

heh.