Woot is overrated in my opinion though, but kingg is a fair point he has been pretty good this year. I just don't know who I'd switch him with on this list. Valyn is good as well, but I wasn't factoring in igling into account.

This is a crazy take icl, Mazino is good fs, but this gotta be SEN hating. Like for what reason is that duo better than TenZ and zekken?

I wanted to put MaKo on this list, but the form he's in while igling isn't the best, and Flashback while good, I don't think has done enough to warrant being on this list. Karon, I'll give you fs, he's definitely up there as one of the best.

I disagree, sure they lost a couple of games at the end of stage 2, but some of their players have put up good numbers across the whole year. They have had good enough numbers to be considered as top players.

That's fair enough, TenZ hasn't had a super high peak this year. I just put him higher up because he's been so consistently good this year. I think that deserves points over high peaks in my opinion.

I'll take him off if you can give me a solid reason why he's not a top-10 player right now.

I saw TMV's top 10 and thought it would be fun to do my own. I think this is a pretty fair list based on this year, but it's still super close between a lot of players. I'd honestly expect most of you to disagree with this list in some way, which is fine. Let me know your thoughts, and drop your top 10 at champs 2024.

1. Aspas
2. Texture
3. zekken
4. Karon
5. Chronicle
6. TenZ
7. Alfajer
8. Forsaken
9. Sayf
10. d4v41

Update: kingg, Mako, Woot, Meteor maybe deserve a spot. zekken is maybe a little high, and Sayf/Alfa is too low.
This is super difficult icl

It's a fine song, but there's just not much hype or energy to it. Riot could do better IMO, but not a bad song though.

Nah group C is easier, DRX and KRU are still good teams. FNC is just in good form right now, and winning two games seems likely given their group.

I never said necessarily that they'd win convincingly, just that both games are winnable. That being said, a good-form PRX wins both games cleanly.

They aren't losing to FUT, but I suppose it's possible EDG beats them. They've played a lot before.

Not a fan, but FNC is pretty well situated to make it out of groups. People seem pretty high on FNC right now, probably because of their history, but I'm a little doubtful they'll make it past the top 6.

I don't, I think G2 is one of the worst matchups for PRX. G2 won't peek or play into PRX style of play. Luckily they got FUT and EDG, two very beatable teams for them.

Bro, he's a good controller, maybe a little inconsistent but he's still good. Also, he has insane chemistry with PRX and often doesn't need to be a super high fragger. In my opinion, there's no need to get rid of him unless PRX starts collapsing as a team.

It's possible a few games in the group stage might be that early, but most of the tournament won't.

Yeah it just says TBD for that game. Whatever it says for playoffs is probably accurate.

Idk I don't have times yet for the group-stage games, just the last few matches of playoffs.

Look at the playoffs, the last few games have their times listed.

I will too, lots of good matchups.

This is just your opinion and a guess lol. Results prove it's NA, and you can't argue that.

OXG looks the best right now but any of DZ, OXG, MXS, or M80 could turn up and be the best team out of the 4.

FUT is not sending home G2 lmao

Couting Players from 2022 also:
johnqt, valyn, trent, jawgemo, boostio, tex, zekken, cryo, OXY, Runi, eeiu, Demon1, s0m, Ethan, sayaplayer

Good players but maybe not great: moose, supamen, nature, jakee, derrek, jonahp, apoth, Rossy

Ok and? NA has produced just as many if not more great players than Turkey and the best FUT ever placed was top 8.

It's NA and it's not close. They produced a masters-winning IGL, and their ascension team made it to the top 3 in a masters.

Bro, why are you so pressed lmao?

Statistically, each team has the same percentage chance to win though.

True but also look at their group

FPX got shafted smh literally the one group where they have no chance

People like this are the worst lol. Just think they know everything and cocky asf for no reason. Debates are debates for a reason, no dumbass is gonna end it.

Probably Sacy because zekken can play Sova, Fade, or Skye.

Wdym icy is getting his flowers? Every G2 game he gets shitted on for not fragging, except for that one SEN game where he popped off. People are stats-inclined and most people think icy isn't a good duelist because of his stats, but he does exactly what G2 needs from him.

Icl it's icy and it's not close

d4v41
TenZ
Jawgemo

For me ofc I'd want PRX, but I'd also be happy with with SEN, G2, VIT, Talon, or any Chinese team. There's no team that I don't want to win, but maybe not FNC or FUT.

Regions:
90% A Korean team is in the top 6
50% EMEA sends 1 or no teams to playoffs
10% NA is the best-performing region at champs

Teams:
90% FUT gets grouped
50% PRX makes top 3
10% G2 win it all

Players
90% Sayf is VIT's best player at champs
50% Jinggg plays more than 3 agents across the whole event
10% zekken and TenZ are both top 10 players

For PRX

EDG
LEV/G2
PRX
FUT

This is just not true. Not every team at champs has played PRX, and PRX still cooks up stuff anyway. Also, it's the not the unpredictability that made them good.

If you watched the game vs DRX, at least the maps they won on, they played much better. They were playing more as a team, coordinating utility, pushing together, and playing a little more disciplined.

Bruh, are you just forgetting Saadhak is a champs winning IGL?

It might be true but idk if I'd say that yet.

So if Boaster is an IGL better than Saadhak, how come FNC lost twice to LOUD at champs 2023?

forsaken > Chronicle for flex and Saadhak > Boaster for IGL.

As any PRX fan would tell you...never bet on them. Just watch and enjoy.

No, but he's really good.

Bro take a break from vlr lmao. Like stop making these threads, all you're doing is giving these people more attention.

G2
GENG
PRX
SEN
FNC

If GENG loses, FNC, GENG, Trace, and SEN could be a group, that's crazy.

Bro Mazino played the most random agent pool I've seen, harbor, breach, and deadlock lmao.

TenZ Jett is better, but zekken is better at entrying that's why TenZ is on Omen.