like the number of teams that could be competitive internationally

Damn this thread got some insane arguments like wtf

Pacific is more top-heavy and Americas has more depth. Idk if that answers your question.

I think so, but like I said it depends on the situation.

I think flor could do well in T1 but it really does depend on the situation. She clearly has the mechanical ability it's just whether she can translate that against the best of the best.

ik this a bait, but like neon just got buffed lmao.

Are you just a fan of Ts and Zs?

No, most of the teams were ass because it was the beginning of both franchising and the season. Not to mention starting the season off with a single elimination tournament where you could end up playing one game, and then going home. It was a fun way to kick off franchising, but holy hell it's a terrible way to measure how good teams are.

Really, it's just good for having fun and unr, but for actually trying the map looks so bad.

From what perspective is Breeze good?

Wait I forgot, mb.

I'd go with

zekken
Ethan
eeiu
Boostio
Cryo

Yeah, it is pretty close between the two. I just think Meteor putting up the numbers he was on a support role, is enough to put him over the edge.

Lowkey I feel like Meteor deserves a shout. He was going crazy on sentinel, especially towards the end of the tournament.

Unless FNC really step it up, then yeah. Even if they do, the top half of the EMEA league is fairly competitive I'd say. Even a good FNC might struggle in the current state of VCT, especially internationally.

It's not that hard to grasp if you've followed EMEA val this year. FNC fell off somewhat, and other teams stepped up.

If you think FNC is the best team in EU still, I have some bad news for you.

FUT is not that good and I never said FPX were a bad team. I'm just pointing this post is kind of pointless because almosts bring up a lot of dumb discussions.

Yeah ik that's there, but part of the TH run was woot going crazy on duelist. Not that miniboo couldn't do that, or that woot couldn't perform like that on a different role, but TH was in crazy form this tournament. You never know, maybe with miniboo they play a lot worse.

This take is so dumb, like sure patitek is a sub, but he's still an insane player. He went like +23 against G2 in the lower finals. GENG is just best team itw rn.

No, but like with yay, it might be difficult to make it back in the same way.

If we doing almosts, TH almost choked to FPX and would never have gone on a run. In the end, almosts don't matter.

That could definitely be part of the reason they struggled in Shanghai. Either way, PRX is still in a pretty good spot for champs. I think they'll be fine when that time comes around.

Alecks did an interview where he said that Forsaken was struggling because he was focusing on setting up Jinggg a lot, and not so much on other aspects of his game. Basically, they were trying to support Jinggg getting back into playing, and that was taking away from enabling other players' games.

However, he did also say that he thought a good finish was 4th or higher, and they ofc didn't make that. It was just not a great tournament from them, but it's not something that can't be fixed.

Going a little far there, but OXG does have one of the most promising cores in T2.

It's part of the clip

please help me

I mean yeah EMEA has 10 teams to NA's 6 so it makes sense. But if we're being honest NA could probably field 10 competitive teams due to the insane saturation of talent in NA T2.

Roster 1:
zekken - $4
Shahzam - $1
Nismo - $3
johnqt - $5
skuba - $2

Total: $15

Roster 2 (EG: "The System"):
Reduxx - $3
Verno - $3
flyuh - $2
v1c -$2
skuba - $2

Total: $12

idk how many games either team wins, but both are pretty good rosters imo.

simple, they have a lot of champion points.

Ngl this year of VCT has proven that playing more games is actually just better.

lmao no way you think you're catching people with this bait.

SEN is pretty much guaranteed to make champs. They just have to win a couple of games and they probably get in on Champs points.

I think their mental is fine. They placed top 2 without miniboo. I think the main concern is the lack of time to prepare.

But it's still true to some extent though. Maybe I should have phrased it as part of being a good team is not choking often, but I still don't get how this in any way proves BLG is a good team.

I mean it depends on how you define good I guess. If it's a team that could contend to win, PRX might not even count because they always choke. Anyway, that wasn't really the point though. Idk why you're so stuck on this BLG point lol.

Can we not talk about DRX? I get sad every time thinking about the old DRX roster.

If you're using their current form, you could make the argument they aren't a good team. PRX usually only choke in the later games though. Like, they're usually clearly better than most other teams. Almost beating DRX once isn't the same thing.

Ok, but part of being a good team is not choking.

I mean they got 2-0'd though

That's fine for you to not have faith. I'm not saying you have to believe in them. It's just funny how people all of sudden think SEN is bad because they lost a couple games at the end of split 1.

G2 got unlucky bro they beat TH twice and then lost in the 3rd. Like that's tough, especially when the rematch buff is a thing.

That BLG wasn't that good if we're being honest. They just for some reason went crazy against NRG specifically.

nah for CN it's only one good team

GENG is in a really good spot though. They're basically guaranteed a spot at champs now. I think the only worry is whether they'll be able to keep up the same form.

First of all, C9 is inconsistent, G2 has much less time to prep, we haven't seen this new NRG play, and while KRU did do well in stage 1, it's not like they're unbeatable. This SEN roster is a literal masters winning roster and you think this team can't beat some Americas teams?

Respectfully, you do know SEN can play well again right? Like, they suffered from burnout, but they've had a break now. It's really not that hard to imagine they'd pop off in stage 2.

I disagree a little with the objectively point, but really it's just because we don't know whether these teams will even play well in Champs. If we did something like this after Madrid, we would have put both SEN/PRX in. It's really difficult to accurately predict a top 3 in a game with so much parody.

ngl bro nobody asked

There's no clear top 3 because we don't even know all the teams going plus teams' form change every tournament. Maybe GENG is the only team you consider there.