| Flag: | United States |
| Registered: | January 17, 2023 |
| Last post: | July 23, 2025 at 9:32 PM |
| Posts: | 1745 |
G2 is still a good team, they just came unprepared day 1 because of that I don't think G2 are going to win Toronto.
Wolves look like the best team performing at this event, G2 looked like the best team just before this event and I don't think that's a crazy take to have.
ur team is on the plane home buddy you can't come at my team for anything right now
this really isn't about G2 losing to PRX, literally every 1 seed lost...
I could easily talk about RRQ or FNC here
Inspired by JoshRT on X: https://x.com/JoshRTz/status/1934020336724644081
4 groups of a 1st seed, 2nd seed, and 3rd seed play a round robin and the top two teams advance to playoffs.
#1 in the groups can do the playoff draw.
Thoughts?
he has a point with a good argument hard to say.
this ain't one comment I could find at least an hour worth of clips of him raging at his team and being emotional.
Calling it overly antagonistic is bullshit, he's a coach being paid world class money he should be criticized by people and the media. Everybody in vct should be.
I'm calling it how it is.
it's still a very bad look and I'm going to hold it against him, coaches can feel frustrated, he gave up. End of the day he doesn't have a good mental.
I wanted them to win yesterday, but god forbid i use my eyes and think critically of the team ig.
So his frustrations are kept internally and he's being dishonest with the team or he's calling it how it is and giving up?
Which one is it either way he gave up and you cannot do that as a coach in tier 1 val.
regardless he gave up
He has a right to be pissed; you can't give up like that on the world stage.
Well obviously, he's not saying that to his team, but he knows it and already gave up.
I don't think he's joking, he genuinely believed they were going to lose. The dynamic of the momentum broke him and whether or not you want to praise the players, this coach does not have the mentality that champions possess.
Literally #19 he throws his notebook down, puts his hands up and says "We have lost the match"
44:00 on this video
if the team stops giving up on themselves and giving away massive leads they have a chance
big if considering they have a day
map 1 was a choke job, you lost 3 post plants in a row on offense that's embarrassing the average conversion on that.
I'll give you the Yoru clone, but the other 3 rounds matter as well as the overtime.
Coach Aleck's behavior can be explained by his emotions watching the game, but during 12-10 or something they opened a hot mic and he literally gave up on his team. Your coach CANNOT do that, ESPECIALLY at this level.
Mental preparedness is one thing after the 11-1 choke, but there is going to be a team that is better than PRX is even at a good mental. You simply cannot open that door being up 11-1 on an elimination game, and eventually that's gonna catch up to them.
first off this is a debate and I think we both know that people are allowed to have their opinions. Who are you to say I can't defend my stance on a topic? You knew what this was, and you continue to engage it. You can't blame me for continuing the same behavior that you are.
Almost losing a game is different than straight up giving up an entire half and that's what makes PRX different than G2. PRX played a washed team liquid team and a terrible heretics team and got dismantled by GenG. In that GenG series, it starts with a 7-0 run where PRX did NOTHING to fight back. Let alone the 13-3 that followed on icebox. You can't beat world class talent if you're going to give up on yourself for 6+ rounds at a time.
I think the fact GenG have been inconsistent across stage 1 is also a fair opinion, they have shown they couldn't consistently win games. And if we're being technical about it they beat PRX and mibr, two really sorry teams right now. While I like their showing so far, I can't put a team that just beat up on two bad teams that also had a subpar regional performance above the most dominant team this year.
I really like what FNC has going right now, but it took time for them to adjust to the meta. As we saw, they struggled at kickoff losing to BBL and FUT. The meta is changing yet again, and this team has shown they can't come from an off season and play good valorant, despite having star veteran players like Chronicle and Boaster. To further this disparity, they have much less time than other teams who have already shown they can play at a high level and adapt to the meta like G2.
While I think the Tejo nerf will impact G2's gameplan moving forward, it's not like this team hasn't had top 3 placements before Tejo. They did it at Shanghai last year. I consider the meta shift that has taken place, and after looking at GenG's inconsistency, PRX's desire to give up on themselves during games, FNC's off-time disparity, and G2's prior experience with meta shifts I believe G2 are the best team at Toronto whether you like it or not.
This isn't about TL deserved to win or any of that, this is about PRX as a team.
they choked a 12-8 in map 1
coach alecks is whining like a 5 year old after every round
the fact an 11-1 lead even got to overtime is a very bad look for this team
this isn't about hypotheticals the results are what the results are, and they show a poor performance from both teams.
That's what this is.
this is referring to PRX choking both leads in their most recent game, not map final scores...
holy fuck no way
you discredit G2 by saying all these other NA teams can beat them, they can't
This is a direct quote from you stating luck as a reason a team lost
"It's just that teams have shown they can beat G2, yet one decision or a lucky round cost them."
Personally, I still don't see how a team can take random losses and chokes be credited any higher than a team that has done nothing but play at a high level all year. Insane GenG bias.
Stop the dementia
"The fact that they won it out proves that they can deal with closing out the games."
You did not just write that are we fr? If it was a 10-2 half they're on a plane headed home right now.
Let me say it again
If PRX were up 10-2 at that halftime they lose the series
homie ur listening to urself get help
you straight up cannot look at how something played that series and genuinely type that this team is playing the best valorant they have played in a while. If you want I can show you the clips, they are horrendous.
Liquid is good on split but 12-8 is still a big lead, not to mention they got styled on during 12-9. They have two days to fix Lotus, a map G2 have consistently proven as their best map. PRX are likely forced to ban it now, they are not winning on it.
Ur argument is that G2 won because of luck? Trent sprayed the smoke for a reason no? One lucky decision or one lucky round doesn't win an entire game. Valorant is played first to 13, there is much beyond one moment that decides an entire series.
FNC are coming off of hardly any break being from EMEA, being stuck to play the playoffs on an older version while G2 get to theory craft what comps to use. FNC used Tejo in half of their comps and they can't work around it as quickly with due practice.
GenG have been inconsistent all of stage 1, how come you ignore GenG's actual losses, but discredit G2 for winning a close game?
nah im sure
11-1
12-8
im confused no one was glazing g2 in this chat
u ok?
ngl shrike is kinda cooking you rn
either you beat him or we will either way he's gonna lose
G2 3-2 FNC
International experience matters, this is RRQ's first time ever attending an event they qualified for. Gen.G historically have made deep runs in the past and have shown on tape at this event they can play at a good level.
Almost beating a team is not beating a team, if they "can" beat G2 then why didn't they? Why aren't they here?
G2 lost to a team that won champs the event before, the tournament winner, and a team they have a historical record of 5-1 against in VCT. Gen.G lost to the same tournament winner, a bum DRX team that got bounced in a swiss stage, another bum DRX team that didn't even qualify for Toronto that got gatekept by today's PRX, and an RRQ team that has only 1 good player. Unlike hypothetical losses in your argument, these actually happened.
'
PRX Coach Alecks has the temperament of a 5-year-old who isn't getting a bedtime story every time a player makes a mistake. They choked a 12-8 lead on map 1 too, but no one wants to talk about that. If you're a professional at any sport and you're not playing an entire game that's a problem whether you're in the NBA, NFL, World Cup, or the Olympics. You can't expect to beat a high caliber team like G2 playing half the game. Not to mention the amount of film PRX had to show playing in an elimination game.
G2 is winning this game by so much it's not even funny
how is it bait lol there is a reason for everything
that's fine i'm taking the team that was the best prepared at kickoff and was the best team overall this year and that's G2
Call it what you want, G2 was the most prepared team during a meta shift. The resume says they can do it again.
flag + flair + mars is square
"i disregard match histories and purely on how i think teams will perform given what i know about them in past metas"
Match histories only matter when you feel like it? Lol what???
Trent has always been a high-level caliber player no matter what agent historically he's been on. He's just played more Tejo.
In a non-tejo meta they got grouped at champions...
I agree for the most part, G2's post plant setups with Tejo were basically unbeatable and I think they have a better offense. I believe both teams have an equal defense.
No tournament is a mickey mouse
and people that call it a mickey mouse are sore losers
Tom Brady wasn't the best quarterback during any season, he had the best overall career
Same applies with Aspas.
G2 hasn't played a single round of the new meta you can't really say it's in favor of one side vs another.
Gen.G had a shaky stage 1 and took several random losses. While G2 suffered one loss, they won the revenge game in the GF
It's not entirely about showing cracks, it's about showing a scheme and after watching those games it's somewhat possible to figure out what's going on, especially when you have one of the best IGLs in the game rn.
This is close, it's a slight edge to G2
G2 > Gen.G imo
bottom paragraph of #14
I said Gen.G isn't consistent enough... read up in the thread before becoming a keyboard warrior on me.
Who had a more dominant year so far other than G2? 2nd at Bangkok, 1st in regionals. No other team did that.
G2 lost to EDG in the swiss stage, who they later eliminated in that same tournament in the playoffs. We lost to T1 in the closest international final that touched the history VCT. Then lost to sen who they later eliminated in the regional championship for the #1 seed.
Gen.G beat a PRX team at an all-time low, and a poverty team with Aspas playing at the worst level in his career in multiple games.
Yeah, the meta changed. G2 has still been the most dominant team, has significantly more prep time than Gen.G from being the one seed. Not to mention having two entire matches to vod review Gen.G of the new meta. there isn't a reason why G2 would be worse
Discord