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| Country: | Australia |
| Registered: | April 13, 2022 |
| Last post: | March 26, 2023 at 7:23 AM |
| Posts: | 48 |
cause v1c has a lot more potential than TiGG imo. Also, TiGG was kinda meh on shopify
what a dogshit bait bruh. You know you can do better.
Americas: Marved
EMEA: Monsterr
Pacific: Kang Kang
probably chronicle
Zest is sick apparantly, so foxy is subbing
Meteor was the best player on northeption, and is the only reason they did anything at all (including beating zeta). He is absolutely cracked and is probably the best chamber in the region (number 1 above even ZMJKK at east asia lcq). He makes a lot of good decisions and is cracked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLmEX_hyusY as you can see
My internet is cutting off and on cause australia,
Also, why do people just not look at what curry is doing initiator wise? it seems a lot of people just assume his support utility is ass when in reality, he had a higher kast than some big names for potential franchising like eeiu. I personally felt that despite being absolute garbage, curry was still setting up leaf to a reasonable degree. The problem in my mind was leafs poor individual non-macro decision making as of late. It's probably because of a huge meta shift not treating him right, but there were honest to god problems with his game even if he was going plus (against way worse opponents than zekken)
Also, leaf is good, I'm just saying he ain't diffing anybody especially zekken. Maybe I'm underrating him idk.
(Also, the guild players swapped their roles around to make space for him and still pounded)
the thing is Leaf isn't fucking bad. He's actually great (as you said he was a monster in stage 1), but he and the rest of the C9 core obviously haven't adjusted to the meta very well. I feel like zekken just plays smarter currently while leaf was leagues better before which is why I bring of the point of adaptability. I mean he couldn't even play chamber to a high degree when his team needed him to, and I'm supposed to rate him higher than zekken who performs on every role that is given to him.
bro, people have been talking about zekken for fucking forever, you just haven't been listening. They been talking bout him even when xset were still getting fucking fourth all the time which seems to be C9's place nowadays
A good comparison that I like to make with C9 is Guild. Do you remember how they looked really good at copenhagen, but got eviscerated at lcq? It's similar to C9 cause they picked up a literal bot called Yacine. The difference is that despite this, the actual good players on the team were still getting impact despite a single player change. Why this so called beast of a player can't do the same is really intriguing.
Also, why are you straight up lying, Leaf wasn't even the main person that played chamber on the team. C9 obviously saw that he couldn't play chamber for shit, but it barely changed jackshit. You actually have selective memory.
Leaf did only good against barely tier 1 NA shitters. Also, maybe I shouldn't have even indicated a SLIGHT lean on statistical performance, cause that wasn't my angle.
My angle was that zekken is literally the best in NA in his role and is proven to be so with the next best being victor. To compare someone who can go bar for bar with the best teams in the world with leaf is outrageous.
But I guess if you look at it from a non-space creation, taking smart fights, impact frags, and being one of the two people that carried xset, then I guess you're right. (Also, why are we ignoring domestic stats for zekken and not leaf)
IDK if you're a troll or not, but hop off of Leaf's gonads for one second and use your brain for a sec (I know its hard).
Zekken pounded at every tourney he went to this year (even when they went 0-2) while leaf quite literally disappeared this year; losing to random teams like lg and not even putting up a respectable performance.
You are literally meat riding another man's year old self from a completely different meta. You are comparing a potential top ten player to a random dude on the street.
Also, Flair
The money shit is bs, but the 6 month no competition thing seems extra predatory even for scumbag orgs. Llter Lgo
You're kinda spitting I'm not gonna lie. I forgot that the other primary duelists were being played again because you could run op + primary duelist (reliably), but if chamber is done, then people might go back to jett for both.
Despite this, I think yay will definitely need to learn new agents on like bind and maybe the meta on icebox changes into where raze-fade is the best shell (for like denying spike plants and systematically clearing space). Only time will tell
To be fair, Jett isn't really meta on that many maps any more, so I'm almost certain he would have to branch out his agent pool.
She's really only good on ascent and breeze really.
Chamber is a different story altogether, and honestly I don't think riot has the balls to nerf chamber
I mean yeah everything you are saying is true. Yay is absolutely insane and I'm maybe I am slightly discrediting him.
At the end of the day, all I'm saying is that the other Americas teams can definitely strike back against this iteration of C9.
It seems like in this meta any player can look like they are top 10 when they are playing chamber, so I'm actually a little worried for yay's consistency when chamber gets gutted, but I think he is the best player in the world for a reason.
(Also, 4 v 5 theory: if you are down in numbers, you would be more inclined to take fights that you wouldn't normally take so you don't end up getting destroyed by retakes/site hits which can cause extra unnecessary deaths that wouldn't happen otherwise)
character development. sorry papi
You know that's actually quite an interesting point you brought up because I know what you're talking about. Yay is like super good at these tiny little micro situations, but I attributed it to FNS's calling much more than Yay's individual skill which is why FNS >>> than all na igls. Maybe there is something more to it, but from what I remember ardiis and yay seem fairly equal. (also, ardiis probably has to take more risks because fpx is always a man down in random positions for no reason (which is cope but I'm just saying) ).
Also, I know the stats aren't everything. I'm just stating them cause that's all people were using to gas up yay during the champs run.
The fuck you mean "there is no slightly". Ardiis is literally like 20 acs lower than yay despite playing cypher and kayo. They are both incredible at their roles. Yay is obviously better, but to pretend that there is an unsurmountable gap is ridiculous. (Ardiis is much more flexible and probably a better rifler and yay is a far better oper, but to each their own)
That's actually straight cap. NRG literally has the most optic players plus ardiis. How the FUCK are they overated. (I don't think they are in contention to win though)
They have got to be the most overrated team of the off season considering even when you compare them to NRG, they are equal at best.
Yay > Ardiis (slightly)
Vanity << FNS (FNS made multiple lans and is definitely a top 2 igl while vanity didn't qualify for a single event this year)
Xeppaa =< Crashies (Xeppaa has had a massive drop off in form since 2021, while Crashies has been consistently good)
Leaf =? Victor (Similar stats and hard to get a good read cause leaf has had a massive drop off in form , but that could be attributed to some structural problems)
I would give a slight edge to victor cause he is playing against tougher opponents
Zellisis >? Som ( hard to even compare these two cause they are going to be playing different roles)
Mce =? Chet (hard to tell cause we have no idea)
Despite all of this, people are considering C9 to be hands down the best team when there is plenty of room for discussion. (like sen, nrg, 100t, lev, etc. are all similar or greater in strength).
Actually braindead, man, what is wrong with you??????????? Do you have a loose screw you cretin? I want you to look inside of a mirror and see how much of a monster you have become. You truly deserve to have a horrible day. This is what being a 100t fan does to people. L
If EG keep their squad of bots, instead of zekken (a top 1 or 2 duelist in NA), then you know the world is actually fucked.
HOW HAS NO TEAM SIGNED THIS MONSTER. HE LITERALLY POUNDED AT EVERY SINGLE PART OF CHAMPS
I know that bro. What I was trying to get across to you was the idea that zander proved himself to be one of best in stage 1 (We don't talk bout playoffs), but after stage 1, he seems to have completely messed up how his igling aligns with the meta which caused him to not even be the igl on the team anymore (I'm pretty sure). I think if Zander wants to become an unstoppable pillar of NA, he needs to go to 100t cause they are so good at bringing the best out of people and I think he has a lot of wasted potential imo.
(I also said I don't fucking support the move)
Bro if 100t can make will look like Jesus Christ on Lan, imagine what they can do for someone who has always been kinda good, but recently has been semi-quiet. I don't think he could get to FNS levels, but I think he could be a fairly cohesive piece of 100t. He's also worked with the some of the members in the past and it looked fairly good
P.S. personally, I don't support the move to get zander, but it has certain nuances.
Understandable. If anyone could get improved by Sean's guidance it would be someone like Zander. Also, I feel like Zander's igling isn't even that bad. I just feel like it hasn't gotten many more layers to it since stage 1, and 100t could deffo help with that, so maybe he could be world-class.
Why not just dedicate this illusive time you're on about to Stellar instead, cause by inserting an unnecessary variable like an igl sixth man (which is in my opinion is a very bad idea cause it would indicate that they are looking to replace stellar which could impact his performance), you could fuck with the established vibes and strats which just seems so weird. Also, zander's calling seems to be very different from the kind of rock-solid, give them no opportunities to make plays approach 100t is striving for imo (sounds abstract I know).
P.S. there are players with more potential than Zander on the market as well imo
I've deliberated over this carefully and I think Zander is handsome as hell, but 6 men at once is crazy
I feel like people don't understand the concept that igls can get better or worse depending upon the meta. Zander was really good in stage 1, but over time , his igling hasn't really seemed to be sustainable over time which can be largely attributed to the different meta imo (For example, like a Gambit/M3C situation). Also, the people who are saying Zander should replace Stellar are unironically braindead, and only say this dumb shit (in my opinion) cause Zander was at one point rumored to go to certain teams like Sen to be an igl and people haven't let that go for some reason.
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Also, are you seriously saying u want someone like Lothar to cast EVERY GAME? that shit would get old fast
You say that Optic had a closer match against Paper Rex, but that's honestly kinda troll imo. I mean Paper Rex v Optic was 13 - 3, 9 - 13, then 13 -5. (meaning that they got boomed on every map that wasn't bind which could be attributed to the fact that on bind PRX had no flashes and weren't playing the yoru comp), and while Fnatic lost 2-0, the round count was 26-21 (meaning it could've gone either way - (the PRX players even said this after the match was over)), so I would say Fnatic and Optic are about equal.
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