“Fluke” but they still won. Just saying if we split the regions NA is by far more successful.

Same reason ppl were calling for his head before the phx meta. One good season doesn’t erase 5 bad ones. He was paycheck stealing for a while and now that he’s crutching phx he’s good again? I think not.

Okay so if we do it this way. South America has 2 trophies and North America has 5. How about not dickriding OUR success. We treat Americas as a whole because we all win together but now all of a sudden that this bum ahh sub-region is winning its split again I guess. What a dumb thing to say.

I’ve said it a good bit that Asuna is not a good flex because when he’s not on phx he stinks and he can’t just flash and spray ppl down

Thats what I was thinking but I feel like theyve realized its their best chance if hes playing phx and nothing else.

Do 100T try to force maps where he can play phx? I feel like his impact off of phx is close to zero, Not mentioning todays games where he did play phoenix and still lost. I was wondering if even after this champs would 100T look for a better flex?

lol

I get what you're saying. I get that if it was against a team more liked it might have changed the situation but I still think it would've been a 2-0 or 2-1 to 100T which im willing to bet is partly why they (Riot) dont care.

I get that part but in reality it was 100T vs Fodder and they still would've (if they magically won the first map) had to beat 100T two more times and we know that was not gonna happen.

cope

Yes, but this team gets second place EVERY event (obv exemption in 2025). I get building resilience and experience but they cant finish their runs out. Id get it if they were consistently 2nd, but theyre not, yes they came second in almost every tournament but they are starting to get called out for not being able to finish (you could label them chokers atp). I think that, while they are a very experienced, good team, when it comes down to it they are the worst at finishing the big moments.

But what does that do for them? is my question. They get no trophy and are just glorified as the "second place team who cant win when the moment rises". Yes, I get they are consistent but consistently getting 2nd place gets teams disbanded. People want to win trophies, not ALMOST win trophies.

Neither of those teams should be on the list, I have said that one and dones aren't really special but at least they won something. @GroKayou is not understanding because he lacks comprehension and only cares about gooning material. I think being the first loser at every event means nothing. PRX 2025 is the only iteration I would consider in the top 4 teams OAT.

27/17/5 on Phoenix (Ascent)

5-3 FK/FD

13-10 (W)

Much different era of Valorant though. There weren't 2 masters, entirety of how the seeding and system worked was diff. LOUD doinked Americas and came in 2nd and Lock IN and 3rd at champs. I mean sure you could say they shouldn't be over PRX 2025 but the scene is different between now and then. I would put them right under but PRX 2025 is just not top 3. I just think that run was overhyped only to sell PatMen and have worse results (I know they won stage 1, but other than that it wasn't good enough). I just don't get the hype.

Bro trying to insult me but is not comprehending anything I'm saying. I'm saying that if you want to make a "top teams OAT list", why aren't we going by the full year for each team. Sure, PRX shows up to events but they never win them. Why would we applaud that? Yay, you guys made it and came home empty handed? I think that you are overglazing a team that hasn't won anything besides the (Patmen Masters team, obv). Yeah, they're a good team, but they don't show up when it counts like the truly great teams do. The top 4 teams on this list easily are over PRX from any year because they were consistent AND kept themselves winning trophies.

Go Larp somewhere else

I agree. I think that you could make a top 4 and be done for the best teams OAT. Nothing extra like these one off masters teams is needed.

I mean do you think teams that farm their region but dont win any internationals should be in a "top teams" list? Im just saying if you go on a generational run of 2nd places finishes that just makes you the first loser. (See G2 anywhere but americas and PRX in almost every int they go to)

Only year I could say is 2025 (international win). Farming every year to not win any internationals means absolutely nothing.

Yeah bro I'm sorry but you're cooked. There's no way you ever recover to a natural state of life without constantly being on all of those at your age. I would def try getting off as soon as possible.

His current situation being on test (probably) and tren means his natural production for test is cooked so he will need both forever now most likely. Gym culture marketing roids to kids is the problem.

Where do you think Alfa goes assuming he leaves?

especially when they picked up cloud who can IGL

I feel like boaster might be done after this. Id like to see him continue to play but hes been trending downward.

I wanna see everyones preds for FNC next season. Personally I have no idea what they'll do.

Narrate also needed a reset. Org dropping him was okay but Jonah struggled hard so it looks worse than it is. I think org picks up eeiu for next year alongside either oxy or they give zekken one quintillion dollars to return

Kaplan* is a terrorist for taking him off aggro ini and forcing him into dive. Shoutout M80 for doing jack so the point was further proven

Id rather not watch them bomb out of champs if I dont have to

Apparently some rumors saying they try to get him back in off season....hopium needed

M80 believers in shambles rn

Sen 2-0 Envy

I mean in a region full of frauds I guess that makes sense

I dont think I would ever call Minny S tier anything. S tier to me is like Skuba, Meteor, Nats. Minny is good but def not S tier

I didn’t know much about him as a coach. Only knew that KC was shit but I didn’t know how much of it was his fault lol.

Starting to feel like he might be the issue. Sure FNC struggled this season but he was terrible at KC and he’s somehow managed to get a good FNC roster 13-0d as well. What does he even do?

you're joking right?

and they got dog walked

Dont get me wrong I want my guys to win but I also understand how new they are as a team and I know better than to expect crazy results. But I think we could make playoffs at least (hopefully)

I can understand the furia and nrg picks (Kru really did it to us) but we not losing to EG (we might beat NRG if they keep playing so booty)

Sen doubter confirmed

this guy is on to something (Furia are just happy to be there)

I feel like they are on the same playing field. I don't really feel like LEV would overpower them at all. Do not get me wrong LEV look good, but I still don't think they overtake SEN even after China Cup.

Sen 4th. I dont think theyre in the middle of the pack.

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