It was such a dumb take in the first place. Anyone who watches LoL knows this. If china actually gets invested in a game, they will do well. Just because it doesn't happen in CSGO and some other popular esports, doesn't mean it isn't gonna happen in newer ones.

Lets list achievements for both the Loud/Optic cores in international events

Optic core:
2nd Masters Berlin 2021
9th-12th Champions 2021
1st Masters Reykjavík 2022
3rd Masters Copenhagen 2022
2nd Champions 2022
5th-8th Lock-In 2023
4th Masters Tokyo 2023

Loud Core:
2nd Masters Reykjavík 2022
11th-12th Masters Copenhagen 2022
1st Champions 2022
2nd Lock-In 2023
7th-8th Masters Tokyo 2023

I disagree with the idea champions>masters. The additional 4 teams that attend champions don't make winning the tournament significantly(or even much at all) more difficult than winning masters. Also, I don't think the achievements listed make them pretty equal. In my opinion, the optic core definitely have the edge with showing such consistency over such a long period of time.

I don't really understand the logic. If loud was more talented roster wise than Optic with similar success, doesn't that just prove even more so that optic is less fraudulent?

Enlighten me. I know nothing about ddk other than he was a caster and then became a coach/gm for 100T.

Its the major for vlr

Sure, that's why i'm getting downfragged and you aren't. Oh wait. The exact opposite is happening. What a paradox.

Doesn't matter. The prestige of winning champions is on par with winning any of the masters events in the majority of the community's eyes. That is what matters. Call me wrong if you want. That isn't gonna change that fact.

The term major does not translate from CSGO to valorant. You can pretend it does but it doesn't. No one is gonna arbitrarily assign significantly more value to winning champions than to winning any of the other masters/international tournaments. That is reality.

There are plenty of transgender players in GC if you look at the rosters playing in playoffs (V1, Shopify, Xset, DSG, EG). Some even have two like DSG and EG(i think?). So even if you take into account that trans players tend to be better than their peers, it's not like V1 is special or has some massive advantage in that department.

Not exactly sure what you're trying to say. If you watch enough television/movies for long enough, then whether you want to or not, you're going to naturally come to observe and appreciate what is being done well when it comes to narrative progression, pacing, characters, etc. That's just reality. Doesn't mean i'm watching everything to "rate it."

edit: And it certainly doesn't mean i think everything is mid just because i think most of what marvel has put out recently is

I guess we just have different tastes/expectations. It was better than some of the other shows I called mid. But the pacing was out of wack(This seems to be the case with most of these shows) and a large portion of the cgi was horrendous.

Gotg 3 and wakanda were great. But honestly thought antman 3 was mid and while I was entertained by black widow(it wasn't amazing tho), it sort of felt pointless with her already being dead in end game. This is just the movies tho, cant pretend all of the mediocre shows on disney+ haven't been coming out.

falcon and the winter soldier is mid
moon knight mid
ms marvel terrible
loki was good
she-hulk mid
wanda-vision good
secret invasion haven't finished watching but seeming mid to me

That's a lot of mid

edit: Forgot hawkeye, it seems to be well-reviewed, don't really understand why, very underwhelming

Because it has. You been watching all the tv shows? I have. They're definitely advancing the mcu story but almost every single one is extremely mediocre. Movies have also been w/e. The mcu definitely hit a high point with infinity war into endgame. And has since fell off hard.

Probably referring to both brazil and latam together since their qualifications to internationals last year were combined.

What does that even mean tho? Is she not just in high school? Or is the school system different in bahrain making this a crucial time?

reported

yup lol

No, team went their separate ways after GC championship last year.

Mel and Alexis on V1, Katsumi and Bob on Xset, Jazzyk1ns is on complexity.

yup

If DRX remains in tokyo form, there is no difference between T1 and DRX.

Lol. Have to sort of agree. I was so angry when they dropped yay. While I'm some what disappointed as a fan of NA, C9 getting punished for their incompetence does make it feel better.

That is the system. Teams that promote get 2 years then drop as of now.

Partnership isn't franchising. There is no spot to sell.

"innocent"

lol

Can't really understand what you're saying.

2022 Masters 1: Optic 1st, Loud 2nd
2022 Masters 2: Optic 3rd, Loud 11th/12th
2022 Champions: Optic 2nd, Loud 1st

Definitely not the same

lol it definitely is kinda funny. Good on bonkers for doing better than what were people expectations overall. But in this game they're just beating on the team that's gone winless at this event. Really no reason to get super hyped. If they can beat bleed tomorrow and guarantee advancement, then i'll get hyped.

If we're just talking tokyo, these lists don't make sense. Some more EG players should be here.

Not trying to disparage your love of tokyo ghoul anime. But that anime is the single worst adaptation of a manga I've ever seen and I've been watching anime/reading manga for a long time. I suggest you check out the manga.

World trigger. Once the manga finally raps up several decades from now.

Crazier things have happened, like this eg run

She doesn't look strong tbh, time will tell tho

You have no logic in your argument. A "pure ethnic american team" would be a team full of native americans. Or do you not understand literally all the Caucasian people on these teams are of european descent? Being american/north american does not equal being white alone.

Pretty sure it's not that simple right. Even if he had a work visa before; it was a company specific work visa for sengoku gaming, his prior team. Who knows how long it took him to get that? Maybe it was a super long time. Just because he very recently had a work visa for that org in japan doesn't mean that getting another one for another company(a non-native one no less) is gonna go fast. That just not necessarily how it works, especially being a russian citizen with all the politics of the russo-ukrainian war.

And what/who exactly do you find suspicious in this scenario? It's not like PRX wanted to hamstring themselves and no other parties involved have the power to slow down visa stuff or would even want to. Also, as someone else said, demon1 is a us citizen.

I have no doubt she would be able to do it eventually. Not sure if one split would have been enough tho. But who knows, with such experienced players, maybe it would have.

Sorry. The team that placed third isn't "proper" opposition. Where do you get off being so disrespectful to PRX? Fuck off with that nonsense.

Not really disappointing imo. PRX are just insane. How can anyone be embarrassed losing to them or doing poorly against them when they've come in third place with most of the best teams in the world?

I expect them to be strong in LCQ now that they've had a lot of time to cook. With that said, given what we've seen from them this season, even if they make champs I wouldn't expect them to do much beyond making playoffs and maybe not even that. If they've managed to address their issue of simply focusing on their own game without adjusting/innovating which quickly leads to becoming very readable, maybe they could do much better.

Pretty good. Haven't actually watched kaguya sama(the stupidity of the premise at the start makes me unable, i'm sure it gets good later), samurai one or the bottom right(band/music animes generally make me wanna vomit so /shrug) but the others are great. HxH, Silent voice, Monster and Mushoku tensei in particular would probably make my 3x3 as well.

8/10

They are the GOAT team as of now but that title sounds like more than it is. We're only 2.5 years of international competition into the esport. 2nd at berlin 2021, 1st at Reykjavik 2022, 3rd at Copenhagen 2022, 2nd at Champions 2022 and now 4th at Tokyo 2023 in a global circuit with dozens of teams. That type of consistency in-arguably makes them the GOAT team for now when no other team has even lifted more than a single trophy.

But that can immediately be argued to be true if Fnatic wins tokyo and absolutely won't be true if Fnatic somehow follows with champions. But that doesn't mean the NRG core wasn't great prior to Fnatic and it won't mean Fnatic weren't great when the next GOAT team comes along. At the end of the day, I'd rather celebrate great teams.

Just because you say something, doesn't mean it's true. Is it possible FPX could have won. Absolutely. But you, nor I will never know if that is actually how it would have turned out since they weren't there. Reykjavík was Reykjavík. Copenhagen was Copenhagen. Champions was champions. It's a pretty shitty thing to downplay a team's accomplishments by pretending you can peer into some alternate version of reality.

Yea. The complaint is nonsense. Bracket was formed from regular season/playoffs standing. And it was the same format EMEA was gonna use prior to vitality dropping out.

I know how a lower bracket works just fine. Take a second and actually LOOK at the bracket. Only people reaching upper bracket semifinals get a lower bracket. So winner of SEN/100T will face C9 and winner from KRU/MIBR/Furia faces LEV, then losers there actually get lower bracket.

How can you be so confidently incorrect?

Look at the format again cause you're mistaken. 3 matches are single elim.

lol. I came in thinking this was about Fnatic. In my opinion, it could go either way but I think EG is heavily advantaged against PRX.

We're discussing VCT pacific/americas, not challenger leagues.

Nah, Americas did. And the vast majority of pacific's viewership was japanese. No japanese teams in tokyo means that most of that viewership isn't activated.

https://twitter.com/C0Mtweets/status/1671450563006062592
https://twitter.com/Demon1___/status/1671451799004545024
https://twitter.com/jawgemo/status/1671452952723345410
https://twitter.com/Boostio/status/1671452179633172483

These tweets aren't even bad. Who cares??

lol. You been drinking?

Difference is EG had no pre-tournament expectations

They have faith and rate them highly because of history. The NRG core was top 3 in every international tournament last year and finished second place at berlin in 2021. I don't know if they'll be able to beat liquid but it's very easy to understand why people rate them highly/have high expectations even with their shaky run at this event so far.

Save strats for champs 2024*