Yeah. I bet, at one important event, when you go in 13-11 and 13-10 you troll and throw, but when you win 13-4 and 13-5, respectively 13-6 and 13-7 you try your best. I swear you guys would find any excuse to defend this team... Let me guess... they played with blindfolded and with hands tied when they got stomped by BBG. I start to see a pattern here with people that got tsm flairs...

SicK, Magnum

and what did Team Liquid win? They made it to challengers 2 because they won against Entropiq (dunno who they are) and Alliance. then they got seeded against CE ceilling (another team i didn't hear about), then BDS, to lose in the end against Fnatic but being 2nd secured their spot to emea. and there's no lower brackets in EU, so it was just a "free finals for them". first strike, they were nowhere near the top, lost to heretics in quarters. Literally the only performance liquid had was in the event that led to iceland... pretty much just like Version1. Let's say FPX is better to liquid and should have been here... they lost to liquid... can say the same, Cloud9 looked strong and could have been here but they lost to Version1. They are both "as good" or "as bad"... well not really since V1 > TL and we have proof of that but that's not the point.

Same goes for v1. based on recent data, they are top 2NA. they are just like TL, that only did good in the event that led to masters, the previous challengers they lost to fnatic while having a bracket with an unknown team and bds.

took them to overtime then got stomped on their map pick.

where did i say EU is better.

ok so for you 2:1 is close and 2:0 isn't. noted.... it was a 13:11 and a 13:10... i mean ok... your logic is that if you win 2:0 by 13:11 or overtime is the same as winning 13:4 and 13:5... i swear only arguments that suit your arguments. Yes, it was close matches, unlike Sen vs Nuturn that was also 2:0 but in that case, it was a stomp.

where does this "destroy" comes from. fnc with sen was close... also... we can just pull the seeding argument. liquid would have been destroyed by sen, and v1 would have lost to fnatic, like they just did anyway, which would have made both regions have a a team in lower bracket... why didn't that happen? because liquid won challenger finals in emea with a 3:2 against fnatic... based on performance alone, overall, Liquid wouldn't stand a chance against Sen, but fnatic already played them and the games were close.

because that only applies to NA format, in NA tournaments. most regions don't even have a lower bracket for their internal tournaments. it was mostly an NA thing and one more region iirc

evens out the balance in KR with glow retiring as well from Vision Strikers.

Liquid still didn't do much in any tournament prior to Challengers Finals. And even in Challengers 2 where they lost 3:1 against Fnatic, they most likely made it so far because of seeding, winning against BDS and some unknown team. Just like many teams get by the end of a tournament because someone does the job for them... But being in lower bracket while everyone gets knocked out of the upper bracket by the same dominant team, and beating them one by one, knocking them out of the tournament, just as V1 did, only proves that they are just better... It's sad for V1 that... just because they lost in the end, people will say that they were not good representatives, but when they won against liquid everyone was V1 so good, NA>EU etc...

by the same logic i can say that Liquid isn't top of europe either, because they only lost time and time again against everybody. your so "close" 100t in that 1:2 with sen lost to envy, then envy lost to v1, then cloud9 lost to v1 which secured their spot to iceland, so what are you even on about. It's rather than the other NA teams are similar in skill to V1 than Sentinels

sure. keep living with that sad logic. v1 is basically 2nd team in NA. they lost to Fnatic, then Fnatic > NA just like Sen > EU... and Sen > Fnatic... that's all... your fking logic, you moron.

and? valorant is the same. but you don't have one individual. you have 5. just because 5 players are the best doesn't make the other 40 better.... your logic is 1head...

13-4 13-6 against cloud9 in 2/3 maps from grand finals. 13-4 13-7 against faze in 2/3 maps in grand finals.

How are they close in skill to any NA team when they shit on everyone. As i said, they dominate NA 90% of the time, which means that there's no NA team good enough to win a tournament against them... How does that make them similar in skill if they get shat on by sentinels all the time. While in KR, Nuturn won against vision strikers, F4Q won against vision strikers, actually their first ever lost series was against F4Q there. In EU, FPX didn't make it, the presumed top team of EU, Liquid beat Fnatic for Iceland, now Fnatic beat liquid... The skill level is closer in EU than in NA, just because the tournaments are going either way, while in NA it's just 1 sided for Sentinels for a long time already. Moreover, all the grand finals for Sen were 3:0s... Liquid vs Fnatic was a 3:2, the previous tournament, was a 3:1 for fnatic against liquid.

As long as Sentinels remains a dominant team constantly in NA while the matches go either way in EU with 2 eu teams in top 4 at masters, you're the one delusional to think an entire region is better than another just because their best team in the region is also the best in the world. Just proves that in NA there's a really low chance of any team to beat Sentinels, while EU or KR already had upsets when FPX and Vision Strikers didn't make it to iceland.

No, just Sentinels > everyone and V1 > Liquid. That's all we have. Envy and 100T would probably win against liquid but lose against Fnatic. FPX would win against Envy and 100T but still lose against Fnatic, but we don't know unless it happens

well, they are ranked 4, they got 250 points while v4 only got 200 so yeah, to everyone that didn't watch the matches and will watch the liquipedia page of the event, they will see liquid on top 4.

ranking makes sense. also andbox or bbg has beaten sentinels but that didn't make them better or higher ranked than them...

T3 like who? TSM?. Fnatic already sent V1 home.

well, next time they should win and get into the tournament, kekw

call him stupid now kekw

FPX

sushiboys

they barely won against the thai team so ez dub for sen

See? You fit this "NA education" perfectly. You don't even know the education i got, nor the geography i studied in school, and guess what, it's not just NA, i know most countries from every continent... Just because you don't know, doesn't mean others don't... We can play some quizes where you gotta name countries on a blank map or name capital cities of countries, live if you're not satisfied

Canada, USA, Mexico, Costa Rica, Cuba, Jamaica, Panama, Guatemala, Haiti, Nicaragua, Honduras, Trinidad Tobago, Bahamas, Antigua & Barbuda, Dominica, Belize, Grenada, Salvador, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Barbados. there's 2 more with Saint and one i'm missing, but idc.

I don't know their flags, but i know them. Because we learn all countries with their capital city in 11th grade

it wasn't just about country flags, but also about the existence of those countries/location. there's plenty of vods with streamers saying "is that a country?" and turns out to be a big country in the EU, even with shroud iirc. The point is that the least everyone in the world can do is to know that a country exists and it's location, generally speaking, where education is easily accessible. or some vid with some player of an NA team that didn't know where iceland was. 11th grade in our highschools is just goegraphy of the world. we literally have tests where we get country names or capital city names and get to write the correct capital city or country. if most of us can learn 195 countries with their capital city, and remember bigger ones, pretty sure we wouldn't struggle with 50 states. And on 12th grade is just my country... where I have to learn indeed every region and their "capital city"

your take on comparing a state to a whole country is just wrong...

no it's not. because just like US has states, most countries got regions, or different names for them... just because they are smaller doesn't mean they are any different. My country for instance has 41 regions with their own councils and shit... US is just big so their states got some rules of their own, but that doesn't make them equal to a country. We can see USA like a big country and know where it is, just like they could know a country exists and where.

no. because just like US people will learn about their states, every country learns about their regions - internal level... external level, in this topic, USA is a "country" just like any other country in the world... and just like most europeans know that US is a country and where it's located, so could people in the US learn that a country exists and where. the most basic level: it exists and it's located there. Asking foreigners to name US states is like asking US ppl to name every land in Germany.

no... they actually don't... US mostly learns about US geography and history... that's how it is... they barely learn about foreigners in schools. that's why the us educational system is just... special. staring down at uni taxes in the us Most of them are less likely to leave US in their lifetime, and there's a lot of states with different rules and stuff, so in a way it's just "normal" to learn just about their entire country... they're not the "smartest" either so just knowing about their country in the first place should be enough....

emea wil have 4 spots for masters 3 tho...

stomped

wediff

Where are your arguments and proof though? prove that he is guilty. you're just a sheep railing up to some angry allegations made by some haters against a guy that just played well. even his battalion ban was given based on what people said and cleared days after because there was no real evidence. throughout all your comments all you did was throwing some insults towards him, not presenting any proof, and I doubt you even did any research, just piled up on the herd, yet you have the audacity to ask others for arguments.

nothing wrong in blast packing some enemies for dmg. sova drone or cypher camera through. and nobody will ever bodyblock wall... because you can just throw all the molies and dmg utilities you got to clear them easy. and you can't afford it either because no site will have just 1 entrance and they need to hold most of them

raze or jett yolo over sage's wall through astra's wall. on a more serious note, raze can nade/blast pack the wall. wall has 800 hp, one blast pack does 600

nobody wants to see pepega breeze clownfiestas and spam the chat with "this looks like ranked". breeze is not even out for competitive play yet, there's 3 weks left till masters, these teams need practice, scrims, strategies and to study other teams as well, since most of them are from different regions.

playoffs are always group a 1 group b 2 and group a 2 group b 1 just so the 2 teams from one group that are on top to have the chance to reach finals. this format allows both teams from both groups to have a chance of reaching finals, whereas a1 a2 with b1 b2 means that you will have guaranteed 1 team from group a and one from group b that will make it, which is not fair, also meaning that it's guaranteed that one of the two top teams in group a and b will 100% not make it, and would be a seeding advantage/disadvantage in some cases. so, this way both teams in both groups got a chance to make it, pretty sure football uses the same system when they have groups and top 2 from each group are about to go playoffs, they match 1st in a group with 2nd from another group and viceversa.

Oni or Ion else kick

it's not cis since they have 2 players that are not from cis countries. so you can't call fpx a cis team just because they got 3 members from cis countries in their active roster. moreover, fpx is a chinese organization that extended to europe for their fps teams rosters, unlike teams that are located in cis, those only can be called cis teams. just because you're a cis or tr fanboy, doesn't mean that your way of categorizing teams based on their active roster nationalities is right.

first winner gets to play first loser and so on. that's why 2nd qualifier teams get the "worst seeding" by losing early

they should stick to streaming then

soloq in ranked is not the same as pro tournament matches...

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not even close kanka

not even close

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