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| Last post: | October 15, 2023 at 3:47 AM |
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Yeah, a team that NEVER even secured double digits against anyone from EMEA / NA, will beat Liquid, the RedBull champs, the LCQ champs, the community favourites to take the whole thing
Also don't forget KRU were destroyed by Envy and G2 in official matches
BET they will sign koldamenta who's about to get benched by G2
There's no better available tier1 IGL in EMEA than him
Afterwards they just need 2 cracked aimers to main smokes / flex (easiest roles), and the team is ready to go
Probably everybody except Derke and Magnum
Boaster's fragging is tragic, he was "okay" 6 months ago but now he's not better than bonkar
Doma / Mistic are not really good aimers (Doma fell off to be honest) and their decision making sucks at times, Mistic was insane on 2.06 viper but they nerfed her to the ground, just like the rest of the game
Guild don't even have a team right now, how can they pracc against anyone from Champs?
Or are you referring to their scrims 2.5 months ago? That's irrelevant.
It's not a tier list, it's just what pros and other people in the scene have been saying about praccs
It's just scrims, they also put Envy as a 1st seed to qualify from group A
According to PlatChat livestream which ended just a couple of minutes ago, they had lots of sources (mostly from Balla) and were analyzing stuff
It's too long for me to write everything about every Champs team, but briefly:
S tier - Vision Strikers
(gap)
A tier - Gambit, Sentinels, Cloud9
B tier - Acend, Vivo Keyd, KRU, Full Sense
C tier - Envy, X10
D tier - Fnatic, Vikings, Crazy Raccoon
(gap)
Z tier - Furia, Secret
Unknown - Liquid
PlatChat didn't say anything about them, but we can assume Liquid are great because they haven't lost a match since EMEA Stage 3 and got more firepower than ever
He's a plastic fan obviously
Probably didn't even know who nats and Gambit were before EMEA Finals / Berlin
Now thinks they might lose to any minor region teams who are on par with tier5 EMEA
Furia are the most braindead team in the tournament + KRU have never come close to winning a map against anyone from NA / EMEA
You think that minor regions will surprise but it's actually not true at all
Furia are about as strong as Renegades, KRU are about as strong as Luminosity
SEN beats those with ease
"2014 NiP strats over and over again" my ass
Then-NiP wouldn't even be top-70 team in the world right now, times have changed and players have learned
By the way in CSGO there is less utility available, so you often see players relying on aim because there isn't really anything you can do other than click heads, flashes are not as easy as in Val, neither are smokes, nor are he grenades
mwzera sova owns chronicle is the funniest thing I've read
It's like mwzera wasn't even able to perform on skye well, you think he'll pick up the hardest agent in the game and suddenly start to shit on top-3 sovas in the world?
High level gameplay will start in playoffs, when all the shit regions are wiped out and only the real teams are left competing
So guess you will have to wait an additional week
They were also beating Gambit in scrims multiple times pre-Berlin
Guess what
1st place
9th-12th place
Vivo Keyd so high rated based on what lmao
Couldn't even qualify to Berlin playoffs from a joke of a group
G2 had a cakewalk path to semifinals, all they needed was to beat a bunch of korean streamers, "better seed secured" hypocrites and latin american bots
Acend path at Berlin was way harder and they almost achieved the same result
I'm not saying G2 is bad, but calling them better than Acend - nah
It's like saying csgo NiP 2014 > csgo NiP 2021, because 2014 "edition" had better results and even won a Major
What a trash move
Imagine being top-4 team in EMEA (of course they are better than Fnatic), one game away from reaching Champions and you just destroy everything you created in this season
It's not even Guild fault that they never qualified anywhere, it's more of a system fault - Fnatic were good at one single stage and it was enough for Champs
Plus EMEA obviously didn't get enough representation at all tournaments, so maybe if there were 5-6 teams of ours (what we definitely should get), Guild would've made it
MY/SG averages 500 viewers on VCT streams
Times less than any other SEA subregion
Plus they have less slots in SEA Finals for some reason (only 2), although they are better than everyone except Thailand
Their teams are skilled but orgs are not interested because there's no audience, unlike in ID / PH / TH / VN
Main Paper Rex fanbase comes from Indonesia f0rsaken fans, MY/SG people don't care as much
Kinda similar to CIS you know
Are you Agatha Christie's great-grandson
KRU 34 odds is the dumbest thing I've ever seen
Make it to playoffs from mickey mouse group and you're already valued above CR, FS and other SEA teams?
This BR hopium by bookies is funny as well
But why are sausage, cheese and bun "served" right on cardboard, without napkins or plastic boxes to save it from dust, without anything
KRU, VK, CR are not better than Guild, Giants, Tenstar
EMEA - 8
Gambit, Acend, Liquid, Guild (assuming they kept the roster), Giants (same stuff as Guild), G2, Fnatic, Tenstar
NA - 6
Sentinels, Envy, Cloud9, Rise, 100 Thieves, XSET
APAC - 2
Vision Strikers, Full Sense
SA - 0
Look at Duno performance in the last Navi games
Just take zeddy already this is embarassing
Well then do Europe - Turkey - CIS instead of EMEA shit
Now EMEA has 7 slots (EU - 3, CIS - 2, TR - 2), CIS and TR same as other minor regions because it makes sense
Oh wow I changed everything from 4 to 7, but it's more fair now
The more EMEA teams you allow to be at Masters, the higher the chances are of Brazil / Japan / etc top-2 teams to beat these EMEA "lower tier", there will be more close matches
The whole "region" system is already a big question.
They keep EMEA together while they make BR-LATAM different, KR-JP-SEA different, and possibly in next season SA-CN will also be different with their own circuits.
Technically they could split up Europe, Turkey and CIS and give us 3-2-2 slots respectively, which would make sense according to you.
Why not?
I never said anything bad about VS?
I said Prtsty shouldn't mistreat other "outside of top-4" EMEA teams just because they are meant to compete in a hard region
It's not their fault and they shouldn't be punished for it, EMEA must be getting a lot of slots
Also all these South America teams wouldn't even be top-15 here lol
Minor regions will never come close to absolute top-teams of NA and EMEA
It's better to let contenders like Giants and Guild into tournament, so minor regions teams have more chances of beating them than the likes of Gambit / Liquid
And these Giants / Guild are BY NO MEANS worse than those from Japan / Brazil / SEA / LATAM, they deserve to participate at LANs, you are acting selfish, not caring about players' careers who are good but JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a stacked EMEA qualifier
You want to kill the esport in EMEA with this stupid ass system, our playerbase is 2x bigger than in any other region, 4 slots is surely not enough
If it was fair we would have 8 slots
Cloud and 7ssk7 probably got used to it already
Japan and Brazil are the strongest regions and are the main favourites to win the whole thing
Bookies are still on that EMEA / NA copium, don't miss such an opportunity to become rich
Tell Fnatic players how to aim and play fps
Because it seems like they forgor 💀
After such long hiatus and not participating in any tourneys
Boaster strats won't do much because it's not 2.06 patch, it's the patch where shooting is more important than throwing mollies from the back
Vision Strikers:
https://www.vlr.gg/34958/vision-strikers-vs-acend-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-winners-a
https://www.vlr.gg/34975/vision-strikers-vs-gambit-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-qf
Fnatic:
https://www.vlr.gg/35264/tenstar-vs-fnatic-lvp-rising-series-3-sf
https://www.vlr.gg/49176/giants-gaming-vs-fnatic-red-bull-home-ground-2-r3
https://www.vlr.gg/49276/team-liquid-vs-fnatic-red-bull-home-ground-2-qf
Gambit, Acend, Full Sense
And maybe Vision Strikers, I want them to play as many games as possible and show themselves to the doubters, especially after that unlucky Berlin seeding / early exit
It was close until PRX threw some crucial rounds at the end by unnecessary pushes
You saying like KRU / Vivo Keyd would beat SMB
No they wouldn't, of course they wouldn't
Lol
Paper Rex almost won 4th best EMEA team at that time
Brazil lost to Latin America and Japan
Inb4 Full Sense beat Fnatic and all BR teams fail once again
How did this get so many upvotes lol
Brazil teams are no better but they receive many slots
Why shouldn't South Asia get it too
Well at least make APAC South and include SEA, SA and OCE, with 4/24 Masters slots for the whole region, this way India gain experience on regular basis + if they are good enough they will qualify
Reading Gambit twitter was so cringe that day...
Especially interz portuguese "interview", so fucking weird... Anyone with half a brain would understand they are farming brazilian likes.
I hope they don't force Valorant guys to do this shit when Gambit meet Vikings in 2nd round.
Dude
It's not Vision Strikers being locked up with Cloud9 and Fnatic
It's Cloud9 and Fnatic being locked up with Vision Strikers
Pool 1: NA #1, EMEA #1, KR, M3 Winner
Pool 2: NA #2, EMEA #2, LATAM, BR #1
Pool 3: NA LCQ, EMEA LCQ, SEA #1, JP
Pool 4: BR #2, SEA #2, SAM LCQ, APAC LCQ
Random stuff
Gambit / Liquid / Vision Strikers
2 of these will be here
Underestimating Vision Strikers
If they don't get 1st place in their group I will be surprised
Acend
Envy
Vivo Keyd
X10
Liquid
Sentinels
KRU
Furia
Gambit
Vikings
Secret
Crazy Raccoon
Vision Strikers
Cloud9
Fnatic
Full Sense
No matter how bad Fnatic are, they are still better than all SA / APAC teams except Vision Strikers and maybe Full Sense
The gap between regions is too big, Fnatic are top-7 in EMEA currently and it's still nice
D is death
Full Sense hella strong at LCQ + other 3 teams are from "superior" regions
C is really weak except 1 team
Mickey mouse group for Gambit let's goooo
"Guys I can't handle facts that's why I will stick to my Twitter strategy L + ratio + whatever else"
Before every other event there was a lot of fuss going on, which is why they attracted so many new people to this esport, just remember all the Iceland hype
Right now it's 2 weeks till Champions and:
On top of that majority of Valo audience are college students and will be having semester exams in December
Don't expect high viewership, it's not going to break even 1 million unless Sentinels - Liquid play each other
Wow really?
Well I didn't see any of this Doma / Magnum power at Red Bull tourney
They were casually whiffing bullets like the rest of the squad
I didn't watch LVPes / EU Challengers 2 where Fnatic participated and lost, but I guess it was the same there
Saving aim for Champions?
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