did I miss something or is KangKang benched/unable to play because he's not playing and I can't find anything or on it

the pros are playing him more because he is better than old harbor? as my point would imply, u good?

Champions Detroit?

either FNC is worse than I thought or ZETA is insane

WHO ARE WE

New ult feels more useful in more situations IMO, I think his new splash shit is also way better than cascade it just does more , I personally liked the old cove but this one is SO much easier to use and better, all things considered I wished they gave him 2 coves other than that I like the rework, Harbor is still probably not the meta and if your going to use a character like him you still always going to pick Viper, WAY better ult, better molly, orb and wall because of reactivation.

I wouldn't be thoroughly surprised if this was a champs finals repeat but I would rather FNC not playing NRG here because I don't need to see them lose a 4th final in a row, my heart couldn't take Paris

1. FNC
2. VIT
3. GX
4. TL
5. TH
6. NAVI
7. KC
8. BBL
9. ULF
10. PCF
11. FUT
12. M8

that is literally what i said

is harbor good now, no.
better than old harbor, yes.

INHUMAN REACTIONS

I'm not calling him bad and I understand he has very little prac but 1.0 rating in an offseason tournament and half his matches being against a tier-2 team should make him "one of the best controllers in the world" but he is playing great all things considered

I think people think this DRX run was a fluke because they clearly had a meta read and stuck with it until FNC either read them or was just better but honestly unless they nerf double duelist this team will probably make top 3 at Bangkok or maybe better

mf your asking this to vlr

rose when he in comp😡
rose when he in an official 🤪
(hes probably a great guy)

Alfajer: 2 trophies, 5 international finals, 1.06, 1.1, 1.21, 1.17
Less: 1 Trophy (champs though), 3 international finals, 1.07, 1.13, 1.15, 1.13
imo its alfa more done, better stats but its close

1. Last Shot, This tournament was so special for me because i got to be there and beat is fire, lyrics quite cringe but idc
2. Fire Again, Great beat
3. Die For You, Replayable and iconic
4. Ticking Away, Mot a great listen, kind of cringe, decent beat but i've heard it billion times
5. Superpower, kinda of cringe lyrics, good beat but yet again i've heard it billion times, cringy overall, I don't understand half the lyrics (probably not fair but it's my rankings idc)

obviously I am biased but Leo is underrated, the logic here seems like bait but on a real note Leo has some of the most insane stats and he didn't play a carry agent like duelists and still put up some of the best stats in the world year after year

0 deaths is crazy

as someone who was big into the scene back then I thought they were favorites, second place the most recent international as well as first and second regionally and the team that won madrid wasn't there, genuinely curious who did you have as the favorite?

I really wasn't following the scene back then so mb, my assumption was 2nd place at the most recent tourney and home team advantage so people would have thought they were'nt underdogs but they were the mother of all underdogs at Tokyo

(Going off of their perception prior to the tournament)
Champs Paris: Slight/Heavy underdog
Masters Toronto: Slight/Heavy underdog
Masters Bangkok: Heavy underdog
Champs Seoul: MASSIVE Underdog
Masters Shanghai: Favorite
Masters Madrid: Slight/Heavy underdog
Champs Los Angeles: One of the favorites (Favorite was FNC)
Masters Tokyo: Favorite
Lock-in Sao Paulo: One of the favorite (LLL and FNC were favorites)
Champs Istanbul: One of the favorites (FPX, OPTC and LLL were favorites)
Masters Copenhagen: Heavy Underdog
Masters Reykjavik 2022: Slight Underdog
Champs Berlin: Heavy Underdog
Masters Berlin: Underdog (esport was so young so its debatable)
Masters Reykjavik 2021: One of the favorites (no clear favorite considering the age of the esport at that point but the best in NA)

Out of the 15 events thus far 9 of them could be considered underdogs and 6 of them could be considered heavy underdogs which feels quite high, just thought that was interesting.

they have Veqaj from M8 vlr just hasn't made a post for some reason

I wasn't watching because I was sleeping but how did it feel watching live? FNC or NRG fan or not

yes, i have different account bc i forgot how to log in to my other account on my phone

I am a prophet

SEN not gonna be the same without Zekken, they almost beat yall in stage 2 playoffs to make it to Champs instead of yall, people sleeping on that roster. also It would be great to see oxy on the international stage

Teams Attending:
Americas: NRG 1st, G2 2nd, C9 3rd
EMEA: FNC 1st, VIT 2nd, GX 3rd
Pacific: PRX 1st, RRQ 2nd, DRX 3rd
China: BLG 1st, XLG 2nd, DRG 3rd

Swiss Stage:
2-0: G2, DRX
2-1: DRX, VIT
1-2: C9, RRQ (9th-10th)
0-2 XLG, DRG (11th-12th)

Playoff Bracket:
FNC-VIT - FNC-PRX - FNC- NRG- FNC-NRG - FNC
PRX-G2 - NRG-GX
NRG-DRX
BLG-GX

VIT-G2 - VIT-PRX - PRX-G2 - PRX-FNC
DRX-BLG - DRX-GX

FNC - 1st
NRG - 2nd
DRX - 3rd
PRX - 4th
GX-VIT - 5th-6th
BLG-G2 - 7th-8th

(This is going off the assumption they aren't doing the 8 team format again)

fair enough i was legit debating either one of them at 14 and frankly the only reason he's not 15 is him and RieNs accomplished similar amounts and I didn't to just put basically 2 PRX players back to back just because they have accomplished the exact same amount

Valid, honestly a lot of these lists hinge on what you value

I know its your name and that's why your typing it but I feel like he should be on this list and honestly he fits better at 15 than RieNs

1. Chronicle: 7 Finals, 3 Titles almost always either the best or second best player on every title team or final
2. Aspas: 1 champs 2 finals, Best individual player. (both are 1 for me but it depends on what you value)
3. Leo: 2 titles, would be the GOAT if he was never sick, better than any player on the list
4. Ethan: 2 Champs (IMO that holds more weight 2 masters) and best playmaker ever
5. Boaster: 2 titles, 6 finals, The greatest IGL and its not close
6. TenZ: One of the best individual players and has 2 masters titles
7. Alfajer: 2 titles, 5 finals and of the best players on the planet in any given tournament
8. Crashies: 1 masters but 6 finals unreal and of the best players on of all of those runs
9. Derke: 2 titles, 3 finals, One of the best individual players of all time
10. Meteor: Less sustained dominance but 2 titles and singlehandedly won T1 Bangkok
11. Sacy: 2 Titles and a consistent veteran presence
12. Yay: Best individual peak as well as 3 finals and 1 masters
13. Forsaken: 3 finals and 1 masters of the best individual players and IGL as well as the most absurd agent pool ever
14. D4v41: 3 finals, 1 Masters, vibes merchant/secondary caller, great individual player
15. RieNs: one of the better individual players, 3 finals and 1 title

(I'm more confident with my top 10 but there are so many players I felt deserved a spot I decided to make a top 15)

they have double map ban which may even it out, NV has better firepower but TSM is more cohesive, its legit a toss up

so teams that win

I am coping so hard but i honestly believe we can break the finals curse with a roster change. we got so much better from last with roster changes I have feeling it will happen this time Boaster is a mastermind and Cojo is THE GOAT

I'm going by your definition "you need at least 3 players on the team who are unarguably top 3" Jawgemo, Trent and Leaf, Valyn all fit that description and honestly JonahP is probably top 3 in Americas

Imma be completely honest that definition makes way too many teams "super" as someone else pointed out 2025 SEN fits that description which personally I don't think they come close to a super team. personally I believe it should 3 top 3 in the world. The only team I can think of fitting that description is 2023 FNC

G2 this year?