what rematch do you want to get from navi when most of them are probably getting benched?

so then it's EDG this year, FPX next, DRX in 2026 and Trace Esports in 2027?

probably Gen.G
they were 2nd in Madrid and that's while storming the upper bracket and the swiss system
won in Shanghai
got grouped in Seoul while losing to two teams who then went on to finish top 4 and top 2. That group was just a matter of someone having to be eliminated. If we rank teams on pure strength, then Gen.G are probably thru every other group

''Old players that couldn't do well should be forced to go back t2 and prove themselves in t2 again to get a slot in t1.''
they will never do it, those are the same people who would recycle the same players on every org they went to

shit with ''CroWd CheAtinG' is that anything can be treated as such. E.g. Sentinels set up a person with a before hand seen banner saying something like ''BUY SEN BUNDLES'' They are placed directly to the side of the players with a set instruction: ''If they go A = show the banner, if they go B = don't''. SEn players look at the side, see the signal and rotate easily

or the crowd going ''USA'' after a ''wtf is a mile'' banner, or the Sydney crowd chanting Henry is a cunt

I mean you can try CS, being a fan of both is quite neat

that's not even PRX level of trolling, that's Liquid 2018 calling. Watch TH win Bangkok and Toronto only to lose at champs

well that's it I guess, China discovered FPS, we are cooked guys

I mean they are still young, it's just a matter of mental resilience now. Either they become mentality monsters or become perennial chokers

last one came in 2023 tho

how would it die if heretics won, wtf

not really, compare NAVI CS to NAVI Valorant in popularity, 1.2 mil to 30k subs on youtube, spirit aren't interested in valorant yet, same for vp, aurora and betboom wouldn't be allowed to participate due to russian ties. CIS is just too far gone for valorant. The year where CIS has won in every big game except for LoL, CS and DOta both got 2.7 mil, and val got 600k

CIS isn't really interested in Valo, most streamers are CS/Dota/IRL

Because it's more about the game becoming more equally split this year

I mean for me personally toxicity is split into two things, one is productive, second is not so much.
1st - tantrum "OMG YOU are so trash"
2nd - criticism (even with some harsh words) "Why are you going for the same play when you get countered by their smoke+molly combo

Ain't no way you blow a 7 round lead to pure luck 💀💀💀💀

A bit of a delulu reply, like saying any of the games are dying. There are 30 minute long videos explaining how one singular fucking smoke has changed over the years

I mean if you are born as an heir you can also roll some debuffs due to incest, like imagine being born as an heir to the French throne only for you to talk as if half of your brain is pressured by a brick

I mean if you want a more REAL life experience you can just move out to the farm, no?

Genuinely wondering why people like you have a problem with cs2 (just a guess)

Seems like he plays both.

Better watch my crops grow and let the landlord who owns my farm take his annual paycut off of me

Toxicity is a last ditch effort to get him to play with you, not telling him to kill himself, only in game situation. It is not necessary, but this is something I often see where people get frustrated

I am dying in the prehistorical era because I am likely an ant, I am dying during Ancient times because I am either a slave, a soldier or both, I am dying during the 1400 either because I am a slave, a soldier, or I have plague or all of them, I am dying during the Industrialization because I am likely a child factory worker, I am dying during the World Wars because I get sent into a fucking trench somewhere near Maginot. Nah I am good with my brainrot G

I was talking about tier 2-3 pros, but ok :)

I am probably clueless, but tell me, why would valve for example care if they have pretty much the same number in playerbase without much advertisment as valorant. Their esports product is shown, their product is played, they don't spend money on the esports scene, they sell in game items. They know that their European audience is unlikely to switch, has been there for like 20 years and still growing

Viewership is really spread out tbh, there is no set peak of tier 2, likely RMR qualifiers and they have been fairly viewed, like a tier 1 group stage opener I would say

But you can't really understand the person who commits to doing a failing strategy while saying nothing?

OK then, here we go. 5 people in a team, 1 is me, 2nd is the troll, why would I communicate and help this one guy instead of helping out the other 3? 4v5 is a handicap which you can realistically win by taking other fights and getting trades on the other side of the map. First I try assembling a 5 men unit and communication, but if I see a guy who despite all the tries to get him to play with the team continues trolling, he is beyond saving and the other four just need to pick up after him . I am not saying that 4v5 is impossible to win and that I get these teammates all the time, just a question of hypotheticals.

True, like sometimes explaining this situation from a far and in a basic concept helps.

Here in the dialogue we don't even have a problem, it's a discussion, there is no problem to solve in the first place. In game you have the problem of winning and it consists of the problems of winning rounds. Having an uncooperative onedemisionally thinking moron isn't a problem, it's a handicap, you cannot solve it, you just have to bear with it. The idea of setting up the playbook around this guy is also flawed because when he goes 2-10 he is either checked out and unwilling to even communicate or just went cold and will likely whiff

Problem is no matter how much utility you use to help him, him going for aim plays and losing that already concerns the team enough that they do not wish to deal with that retard. You might as well ask your teammate and he goes "why the fuck would we waste utility helping him" and instead set up a play on the other part of the map.

You are comparing the in game problem solving to an internet discussion where we discuss things, we don't find a solution to the problem.

Mean(( Any game I tried actually playing a lot and actually gave a shit about I ended up in the 0.1% of players. I do try talking to my teammates first, I do not pursue being toxic just to be toxic, but when I see a retard going for the same retarded ass wide peek into 3 people prefiring him, I will probably get tilted

So valorant is a worldwide but beats CS only due to China in viewership? And no matter how you define LoL, it's the highest E-sport, it will always be an E sport because it's fucking electronic

You slightly skipped the step where the teammates try talking to the troller first

Might actually move when tier 2 is open in CS again and closed for good in Valorant

I am just trying to figure out possible parameters they chose, perhaps you know then?

And if the person just ignores the criticism and insists on doing the same plays, is it logical someone will just give up on the game?

holy shit cook. Mongolz and 9z now are literal proof that in order to actually git gud you need to aspire. Like I refuse to believe NA CS is worth saving when mongolz were literally PRACCING WITH 300 PING, SHARING BEDS AND PLAYING FROM INTERNET CAFES

I wrote in one of the post, I use toxicity sometimes as a last resort when a person just seems to be doing exactly the same while expecting a different result. And why would you set up a play for a guy who is currently bottom fragging, and tell me how do you expect making a play on defence when your site anchor is just trying to rush for no reason?

playerbase seems relatively the same

I feel like this might end soon, they seem to give less and less shit about dota ( look at their new updates), now they work on deadlock, but i feel like the second deadlock release they will switch onto cs2

fletcher was right towards andrew who was willing to suffer shit like this. Obviously if everyone actedl ike Fletcher then the entire society would be fucked. I am only talking about people who actually have the intention to improve. Like I personally am feeling to hear a random call me a bot instead of saying Good Job, it serves as motivation and not as pity

I feel like the tides could theoratically turn if valve play their cards right. Valve can just legit go full send and make the first major in 2025 have the sticker money go into the prize pool turning the esports scene on its head. Like imagine valve host a major in Austin, USA, make it a 100 million dollar event ( sticker money + bundle money + compendium money can realistically make this a thing) and right before the final they would announce a brand new anti cheat with the operation, and then constant quality of life upgrades every 3 weeks. This shit would legit turn so many people, especially if vct continues to lose viewership

+1, this whole global reach thing is kinda pointless, you are spread out but the growth varies in the pace. Like CS is so well known in europe that denmark has CS as an additional subject course, Ukraine has s1mple as top 5 atheletes among youth and NAVI are the 2nd most valuable sports club inside Ukraine

that does not make it a better esport

so is is is valorant actually dying and cs2 growing?

I mean I come from eastern european cs, where the team communication (mind you this is the best team ever assembled by a region was talking like this) https://youtu.be/fDQQA8MrwNk So maybe it's just a thing I am used to https://youtu.be/Sw2hn71lTlI?t=90