that's not a thing anymore , some sort of other deadline for announcing stuff I guess

Is this an Apeks situation 2.0? Even M80 might be in the same situation, only APAC might be different

Can keep both around for tryouts Ig, but I wouldn't guarantee a spot for either without exploring everything, a lot of talent in Brazil. wHat they actually need is an IGL. Build around adverso/Klaus/Nzr tbh

I mean they were terrible, not much of an option

Same man you had a point and tried to explain it. I'm glad we came to closer positions

Elbarco is somewhat reliable for EMEA, but for Americas they don't know as much. That being said MIBR is rebuilding from 0 yeah. Brazillians probably know who they're rumored to be after

Yes, but more orgs benefits them, more viewers etc. I think competition is good, if you can't beat those guys you can't beat everyone else

There's orgs interested in valorant, it's a big esport. But Riot needs to fix A LOT of things

I've heard Heroic NIP and Quadrant are joining Polaris next year for example

1. The 1 thing I do agree with. And it has its benefits, you have orgs that use that situation to improve like TH and orgs that don't like MIBR. But again, you can very much mitigate that without removing franchising by maybe having the contract revision every 2/3 years instead of 4 making orgs having to react faster, which benefits orgs like TH not MIBR. It wouldn't eliminate it but very much help, which is why as I said I do agree with this one
2. Out of all 58 players that competed in EMEA last year 23 were rookies, I believe that is a solid rate of young blood (could have miscounted slightly did it fast kekw)
3. OWL killing their tier 2 doesn't mean Valorant has. LOL has a function tier 2 while having franchises, which proves it is possible with the right format. Riot just isn't paying enough attention to it. But that is kinda my point it's really unfair to say they're not paying attention to it because of franchising

It's never been franchising in the first place, teams don't really own the spots. Just a way of calling it I suppose. And let me read the original problems and try to solve them

ascended teams always at a disadvantage

They will always have more pressure but I think they should guarantee them 2 years like before and only have the second year teams do the Playoff -> Ascension Champs -> retain spot thing

system which encourages losing games

Have the contract revision be every 2/3 years instead of 4

careers which last 2-3 years max

Make tier 2 more stable to give the players a place to fall back on. I would probably heavily reduce the amount of VCL's in EMEA to 3 or 4, condense the viewers and the quality orgs. create rivalries between countries and make each other play against one another more than fucking once a year. And most importantly extend their season

shitty formats

I would make none shitty formats xD

lack of events

I would add more events xD

Yeah Ig you're right, but being last it's just not a good idea. I'd very much rather move like TH did last year and literally just being faster than everyone else even if that means you have to keep an IGL that might have some doubts

Eh I personally like Nzr better but you might be right, I did not think about him. Br teams should def consider him

alright buddy, not doing this today

I actually love the Superliga tho lol. And now that you mention it the new format did have promotion and demotion very similarly to VCT. People hated it because they didn't bother to see the format had changed from the original one and had a bad impression

I don't know if you're not understanding my point or just don't want to. I agree with every single problem you mentioned, it's not about that. Imo you're simply blaming those problems on the wrong cause, franchising is just one more part of a system that is wrong, but the part is not necessarily wrong. Idk how else to explain it, a franchising system without all of those problems is definitely possible in my eyes. But let's just agree to disagree I suppose

Bro was top 15 in stats in Americas on a shit team while being the IGL . Tf else was bro supposed to do

He was literally the second best IGL in Brazil after Saadhack

That's what happened to KOI last year because of the merger, and turns out, there weren't xD

Doesn't really mean anything if all of the good players are already picked up

Not much, I recall they said it's kajaak's third option after FNC and Apeks and something else but I wasn't listening xD

Oh I thought you meant if you were FUT you would move on to Comeback or yetujey xD

I mean, sort of. Most accurate spreadsheet for EMEA there is for sure. Don't take anything for sure tho, but at least as a summary and to know what's going on is great. They've hit a lot lately M8 Goked, NAVI hiro etc. It's not necessarily always their info always it's a mix with general knowledge of the spanish community which is usually very high because of Lembo, anonimotum and SergioFerra

Tryouts might not be updated, because it's harder but yeah overall it's good

Yeah the IGL needs to be one of the first pieces and teams have been in tryouts for weeks. Not saying it’s not possible, saying it’s totally understandable they didn’t want to wait

It’s not cheaper. KC and KOI made an offer for Hiro and NAVI swoop in with a massive offer

Yetujey duelist???

Everyone is momentarily gone in M8, they’re building from 0, some players might be on the tryouts like natank but no one is staying for sure

No, if they make playoffs they get to defend their spot in Ascension which shouldn’t be too hard to win

It’s not sure he stays

Sure, but you need to try him out and see how he calls and it’s kinda late in the off season to wait this long for an IGL

Also it’s a big gamble and I’m not even sure man

There’s no IGLs in EMEA

Nah M8 can make a good roster this year

Wailers and beyaz are long gone bro

I said it like 1 min earlier kekw that’s crazy

I’m sorry but I really don’t like Lime personally

He posted he was exploring offers

Might be in place of Zyppan tbh

I don’t think NAVI is an option for Derke. Rn the situation is, Derke’s personal choice seems like it’s VIT, but FNC doesn’t want to create a monster in EMEA like that which makes sense so they want to sell him to NA. We’ll see what happens

Well tryouts wouldn’t really exist if performance didn’t matter. For example, the rumor is GX is deciding between Click and Xeus and Click is ahead because Xeus can’t Op

We’re talking BBL xeus type of drama rn, we’ll see tho

I mean I told you xD
I’m not making it up

Xeus hasn’t been very convincing on pracs and has apparently fallen off a cliff in teams priorities. Idk if he has tried out for KOI tho

Yes they do, NAVI wants to sign him and loan him out for 1 year, but apparently there’s another team involved as of lately

Hiro is like 90% comfirmed if that helps

KOI said they made an offer for Hiro and so did KC but someone came last minute and offered an unrejectable amount of money so he chose them. And I’m pretty sure that’s NAVI

Look don’t take anything on here as information or a guarantee of anything, some may not be up to date. But for the most part they do a good job of keeping track of all of the leaks, screenshots, own info and everything that goes around in the community. If you want a summary it’ll help

Also don’t look at Americas at all

https://x.com/elbarcoth/status/1836004410779963813?s=46

Only been seen on NAVI with screenshots, but that doesn't mean much

1 I see, but that is quite literally what happens in Open circuits aswell, established teams get invited while upcoming teams have the disadvantage of having to of though the whole qualifier. Also again, you can have a franchising system that doesn't have that problem, before the changes tier 2 teams didn't have that pressure, they had 2 years guaranteed. So your problem is not intrinsically with franchising

2 Sure fair enough. But if MIBR doesn't improve next year or the one after they're gonna be kicked form franchising and that is punishment. Also not being punished for 1 singular bad season is part of why franchising is good and why we get stories like TH this year. But yes I agree

3 There is a place to fall back on, tier 2, the fact that tier 2 is not stable in Valorant has nothing to do with franchising. For example LOL, they have successful tier 2 and legendary 10 year careers of players. So no, length of career is not intrinsically a problem of franchising, maybe of the current format (I don't agree)

5 Gonna use the same argument, LOL has franchising and does not have a lack of events.

Let me approach this differently so you understand my point better. Imagine Riot hires you tomorrow, they tell you you cannot change franchising itself, but you can make any change you want to the format/schedule/tier2. Do you feel like you could find a way of fixing all of those issues without breaking franchising?

No that is only because people wanted KOI to do a full polish roster

It never made sense because he overlaps roles with Sheydos and grubinho

1 Why are ascended teams at a disadvantage
2 I don't see how that's the case
3 Nothing to do with Franchising, how does franchising affect the length of a career. Also mf the game is 4 year old xD
4 Nothing to do with Franchising, you can have open events with shitty formats and franchise events with great formats
5 Nothing to do with Franchising, Riot can add as many tournaments as they like

Again, prime example of my point. You're literally attributing every single problem you can possibly think of about competitive Valorant and assuming it's franchisings fault. When you can have a franchising system that very well doesn't have any of those problems, and an open circuit that does

kamo was very good last year and still is which is why I think they're gonna keep him, they're not gonna find anything better in the tryouts

I'm very aware of what I'm writing. Care to develop 1 disandvenatge of franchising? And I'll try to explain my point

Yeah they both come from Fn and they played together at EP

Me neither, at least Apeks won and they won't be signing just all of Apeks again kekw

Also I truly believe now that Emil is gone Lohan will do a much better job