In 2021, yeah I would. That's like saying Cloud is better than Leo just because he can perform on his team; Leo has shown better placements and has performed on his team several times.

Karon and JohnQT are in the grand finals, at least until shanghai we should consider them > N4RRATE

JohnQT over benjy, benjy also debuted in 2023

Not entirely sure what you mean, eitherway number 11 would be between victor and jawgemo in my opinion, ethan is definitely top 20 but I do want to see more this year, especially while he's igling

probably mwzera but thats because my list is like

Aspas
Less
Zekken
Tenz
Cauanzin
Demon1
Marved
Crashies
Zellsis
Tuyz

I think its crazy that you're not willing to admit that a lot of the criticism that hate received was not conducive to his gameplay nor was it similar to other players.

Skrossi was objectively playing bad on a roster with 2 other more capable duelists; Ange1 has pretty much only received criticism for his gameplay; asuna I can agree with, he does receive a lot of hate; cryo and yay have underperformed massively, however everytime 100T play people are or were blaming asuna and bang over him so I don't exactly see your point there.

I never said it wasn't his fault, I said that he was receiving unwarranted hate over unfortunate shit that was happening in his life. It's different to receive hate over gameplay (which he was objectively playing poorly and that old SEN roster was underperforming massively) than it is to receive hate for things outside of that. You didn't even name a single player that received hate for something outside of their gameplay on a largescale besides ardiis, who I already agreed with you that he received a lot of unwarranted hate. You don't need to cocksuck FNS and Ange1 because tarik said Ange1 made a bad play or FNS was being "held down" or some bullshit lmao.

At the end of the day this is a game, you got so heated over this and for what? Because I said TenZ received unwarranted comments over things out of his control? Please look at yourself and realize that yelling on VLR about how everyone should be hated is kind of cringe and have a good day, I am not responding to this thread any longer because I do not want you to spend more time away from your responsibilities, you have made almost 800 posts and I personally would not want to reach that milestone. Have a wonderful day, I know you most likely do not act like this in your day to day life.

Again, I want to say I agree, if KC keep performing how they have, enghh is probably going to be the greatest coach to touch this game unless potter/alecks or kaplan (would need to win multiple events and place high in champs but even then I would probably give credit to JohnQT) can pull something (I don't say chet because pretty much every team hes joined or been on has what are considered the best players in NA), but I think that you misunderstand how much T2 duelist -> another role has happened. Mako, TenZ, demon1, Jawgemo, Tuyz, Less (short time period), Asuna, Zellsis, Life, Bang, Boostio, Cryo, Zyppan, Ardiis, Starxo, Sheydos, Jampii, Sayf, and Trexx are only some of the examples of this trend. I genuinely think that enghh probably had it a lot easier with the 3 rookies than it was to make magnum successful within his system. If N4RRATE, Tomaszy or Marteen did not get picked up by Karmine Corp, I guarantee they would have been picked up. Tomaszy was also definitely the best portuguese player, I do not think that is debatable lmao, he is an incredible player.

I agree with u that enghh is the goat but to say he scouted them was disingenuous, all 3 of the T2 players he got were all already well known talent; marteen was literally the only good player on his team and the only reason they reached ascension; N4RRATE was an insane entry fragger and was getting trialed by NRG and G2; Tomaszy is the greatest portuguese player to touch this game. If anything his greatest achievement with this roster is making magnum an actually insanely well thought out IGL.

so did NA T2 LMAO

he did

idk 100t and EG are looking pretty solid. FUT and VIT I wouldn't say are trophy contenders right now but that may be because their cores have been heavily changed. I could see EMEA ending with KC TH NAVI and FUT being the top teams, FNATIC are lacking innovation and VIT's roster is < than FUT TH KC and NAVI imo. cNed needs to see shanghai though

TYSON NGOAT

mirage.......

fam what

every brazillian player I have ever seen says saucy, every player on sen says saucy

I disagree, most of these teams received hate due to how they were playing (GE sucked, DSG sucked, DRX didn't improve, and 100T underperformed massively). TenZ received hate for... Having an infected finger? His fiance having cancer? Playing poorly on a roster that received countless roster changes? The only other player specifically I could see receiving that amount of hate was ardiis within his tenure on NRG. You can say I live in a bubble all you want but at the end of the day you have to understand how it is fundamentally different to be hated for your gameplay than it is to be hated for the unfortunate things that happen in your life right?

That’s disingenuous, the only team I could really see receiving the level of hate that sentinels got was 100T and possibly NRG (ardiis specifically). People were shitting on tenz for his fiance having cancer, it was NOT the same lmao

Zellsis didn’t stay on C9. FNS, flyuh, mitch, nitro, runi, stellar etc weren’t in T1 and they picked up vanity instead

100T, C9, and I think NAVI have something going on

W KPI flair

I 100% agree

fs Jawgemo > monyet but I think he stayed because potter stayed

Ty fam you’re the goat

just wanted to say because some people get confused when people put their ethnicities as their flags and it gets really annoying when people can’t put 2 and 2 together

JohnQT confirms hes the only import at 7:00 https://youtu.be/C9Ifm_uSjVY?si=reNjA-BoriEKPcpB

I assume it’s because mako was originally a duelist player

least SEN won something, what's the point in having Mako if we're just going to bring in flashback with foxy9 and keep termi as the headcoach?

AI is praying on ur downfall, I would watch out

Sentinels has proven they care about their players significantly. The Shahz situation imo wasn’t that bad, he had been underperforming for years and doesn’t really deserve T1 right now, dapr’s situation was bad but he was never guaranteed a position on sentinels, sykko made the roster decisions anyways so you can’t really fault the org. The roster mess and sykko were pretty much the same situation, they dropped sykko (according to rob) because he was not actively trying to improve the roster and when they lost he would just make them take more breaks instead of trying to get reps in. Dephh left out of his own volition.

Sentinels since then has given Pancada the choice to do literally whatever he wants in his career; whether he wants to keep making money on SEN (same contract as when he started) or go to another team EASILY due to a lack of buyout.

The only time their judgement was questionable imo was with zellsis and pancada, however the off-season is meant for changes, and obviously zellsis is a better fit for the team, and pancada gets to do whatever he wants now.

chatgpt got confused and gave you 6 paragraphs, unfort man

SEN is one of two actually good orgs in franchising 😭

Moose is good but imo aproto + thief over jakee and wippie (if they HAVE to make changes)

Only flyuh and brawk, thief sym and aproto didn’t make teams

For sure man, insane to me that he’s going to be the only MXS player signed to T1 if this happens.

It’s probably Aproto because he left Together We Are Terrific

https://www.vlr.gg/303088/nrg-esports-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-americas-kickoff-sf
should've won sunset ig

my goat, have a wonderful day frenchtoast

you're viet?

number2 what happened....

stand strong king, cNed will be back for shanghai

imo saying that those teams are good is downplaying how strong TH and KC are looking right now. I don't think KOI TL or GIA really deserve to be in the conversation right now with how they treated their offseasons. Enghh looking strong as always though, interested in what else he has cooked

Liquid got shat on by koi who got shat on by every team in the league fam… Still lots of growing pains for that team

I mean tbh, can't blame them. No one wants to be seen as shit by thousands of people who are supposed to look at you as the pinnacle. That's a lot of pressure that I don't think anyone in these forums ever really realizes, even for people at the top. It's respectable of a lot of them that do not care, but I do not think that should take from the feelings of those who do. Either way, they really should not be reading VLR.

I understand sir, spread the agenda.

yk they're not actually related right..?

we won

His girlfriend is your mother, her daughter is your sister.

billibilli is top 1 ez

Bind was their perma-ban, potter said that they had nothing for that map so they just chose roles they could frag on iirc

nah keznit would hate kanye, yk how he feels about...

dude your team is g2 do you not know where tex was born