Can you understand or speak Indonesian??.. because the podcast/interviews are in Indonesian...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBo76OqWEgU&t=5166s (58:20 mark)

no such thing as a two year contract anymore?

No. BOOM, NS, Apeks, G2, 2G, XLG, DRG now only got 1 year.. unless they're qualified to champion like G2 then they're either fight their spot in Ascension if they reach playoff or TOP 8 in champ points overall or straight relegated into Challengers.

famouz isn't bad on BME and idk if the org has the budget for him

BOOM CEO/Owner joked before pacific league started that he can technically afford Aspas buyout but he cannot afford his salary lmao...

I heard that if ascension team that can gain champ point and be top 8 regardless of qualifying to playoffs or not can still qualify to ascension and not getting relegated to challengers.

https://valorantesports.com/en-GB/news/valorant-emea-ascension-and-game-changers-lans-2025

"If neither team qualifies for Champions, there’s still a path to Ascension. They’ll need to:

Reach the Stage 2 Playoffs, or
Finish in the top 8 (including joint 8th) overall based on Championship Points."

CMIIW

My biggest question is that if both BOOM and NS goes to pacific ascension and both of them secured 1st and 2nd.. does that mean both of them secured their franchised spot again for 2026??

And what tier 2 pacific team that theoretically can beat BOOM or NS in Ascension and steal their spot?? honestly in my opinion, BOOM and NS are too strong for tier 2 but sadly got exposed and become mid in tier 1 league...

If they both doesnt qualify to playoff then both of them gonna be relegated straight back into challengers.. You only qualified into ascension of you reach playoff CMIIW

And people said NS gonna wreck pacific and easily get top 4 lmao...

1. Learn english -> import cracked player from other region and country that's not korean -> keep 2-3 japanese player for representation -> ?????? -> profit

2. Kick DFM from the league and poach the player to make a Japanese super team in ZETA consisted of MeiY, SugarZero, prime Laz, Dep and import Aspas because he's a weeb -> Easy top 4 APAC -> Profit

3. Destroy/sabotage JP tier 2 so most JP pro player lose their comfort zone in tier 2 and naturally forced them to be better and strife to make it into Tier 1 and bring japan into the international stages -> Profit

4. Sign 5 korean and said fuck it -> win International -> Profit

So maybe that's why indonesia was allowed to stream elsewhere

There would be zero indonesian val Streamer who's gonna co-stream into VCL SEA if they cannot even show the match on their own stream lmao.. I dont even know who did they try to "please" with this announcement/rule changes.

Let's dont forget that there's literally zero Indonesian team in Stage 3 except RRQ Academy, a team that cannot even qualify into ascension.

I agree.. its like they just left behind some of their brain is Riyadh and Toronto bro

I agree

fl0p might even beat this RRQ bruh..

Apperently.. RRQ is ASS and we deserved to be relegated to tier 2 with this kind of play..

Xffero is super ASS, Monyet is ASS, Crazyguy is teleporting ASS, Kushy my GOAT is ASS, Jemkin is ASS.. Even DFM can easily beat them with only 3 players..
I dunno man, its like they play with zero brain.. Even fl1pzjder probably play better than this RRQ.. fuckkkkkkkkkkkk..

Might be one if not the worst match of valorant i ever watched, even archilios sounded bored.

6 FK 24 kills top fraggin on his team as an IGL, I love b0rbakeN mann..

No wonder he's close with bratan Nats, both are goated fragging IGL

WTF is that assist tho

Everything in this thread are mostly correct except your comment lmao... Korean viewership are far from big in pacific. Apperently LoL enjoyer in south korea does not really care about valorant despite T1 and GenG won international..

Local? its our whole SEA region scene are collapsing because of j0ke s0n..

Majority of CN team (who had import) comm in english FYI.

Riot aint give two fucks about tier 2 scene.

Agree

Koreans dont give a fuck about sea enough to “suppress” their scene

What does this have anything to do with korean?? sure J0ke s0n and SOOP are "korean" but that's not what im complaining about.
In my other comment i bring up korean league which can freely stream on youtube and twitch while SEA are forced to be streamed on SOOP does not mean im attacking korean.. im just showing the injustice riot and j0ke s0n do to SEA challengers, the average korean are not to blame.

Riot will do anything to save money and they did by taking soop deal. Orgs leaving sucks but stop throwing around low iq narratives.

Oh yea? and repeat riot big mistake of abandoning SEA by giving moonton a chance with MLBB and become the biggest MOBA game in the region with big international orgs like Fnatic, Liquid, etc trying to get their pieces while Riot wildrift project failed horribly because of years of negligence just like what they're trying to do to SEA.
How tf saying big orgs leaving the scene because of riot incompetence a low iq narratives?? are you being serious right now?

and viewership might have decreased,

Might have decreased??? its gone bro.. just tune in into their stream on SOOP, They barely reach 300!!

ID viewer alone on the past hover on 2000-3000 during uninteresting matches.. but if its BOOM vs AE vs Bigetron it could easily reach 10k.. and finals could reach as high as 30k.. THAT"S INDONESIA ALONE..
and i didnt even include watchparties streamer/youtuber.

but the whole point of academy teams is to find the right talent and nurture them into tier 1. As long as SEA academy does that well they ll be fine in tier 1.

Say that again after RRQ Splash decided to retire from the entire val and RRQ academy scene because he does not see any potential future career in val with how "Shit" the SEA challengers currently. Bro probably the most upcoming young talent from ID.

he's singaporean by nationality and grew up there his entire life.. only his mother are indonesian

just see every jakesin post, and yet he didnt respond to any of that

And the guy had the audacity stirring up drama during the korean scrim sharing allegation by FrosT on X's/Twitter and then just disappeared without any explanation despite FrosT saying he has been sending "evidence" of scrim sharing.

Not saying that FrosT were right because clearly there's no evidence whatsoever but J0ke s0n with his unlimited wisdom just decided to just ignore the whole drama and said nothing while people's are speculating shits left and right and the one who hurt the most were the korean pro player because of his incompetence.

the contract they signed are until 2027, the same year when Riot gonna do some major re-structuring and contract renewal partnership for their franchised league.. I doubt they would change anything until then..

But atleast i want Jake Sin to be gone from riot APAC by then..

I dont like conspiracy but it annoyed the fuck outta me when they forced an entire region of SEA people to watch on their shit platform nobody uses, but somehow their own league are streamed freely on Twitch and Youtube unlike SEA...

Alter Ego, Disguised, MiTH, its still surreal that these big orgs left the league just because of Jake Sin decision.

Are you retarded?

So PRX just won Master Toronto, RRQ won Pacific stage 1
Both are SEA teams.

Do Jake Sin still stupid enough to kill an entire T2 region of talented players from a good region just to please F'king Chaebol owned SOOP?? if not for SEA T2 scene we wouldn't got Kushy, Patmen, in Tier 1 valorant APAC right now, even BOOM esport proved that they deserved their franchised spot after BLEED got kicked out.

Fuck Jake Sin, hope you got fired.

Mindfreak himself objected lmao.. I think alot of RRQ fans kinda hope he move to RRQ just like Monyet but the dude seriously loyal to PRX.. Well, i mean the guy has been with the org since CSGO era with f0rsakeN.

I think Mindfreak role might be Assistant coach to alecks and PRX emergency 6th man if one of their player got Visa issues in the future.

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Please clone 5 f0rsakeN

FORSAKEN NINJATORNADO DEFURE

Good, atleast you're gonna watch the match instead of yapping wanting to sleep #VIVARRQ #KINGOFKINGS

Me
Now shut the fuck up and watch both matches like a good boy #VIVARRQ

VLR seriously should ban the word "J@b" and "Unemploy@d" for real

I agree for LOUD but 2Glue are not better than ZETA and DFM lmaoooo...

and considering pacific always steal EMEA's best talent emea should do the same to pacific, but they're bad at scouting so they won't

This is so funny lmao.. how can EMEA fumble Something, Jemkin, Rarga and Dos9. Even Kazakhstan as a country has crazy potential and player like Sultan are heavily underrated or not even potentially scouted by EMEA.. Its crazy that what it needed is an Indian org to somehow scout Dos9 out of EMEA T2 hell and for him to be scouted again by BOOM thanks to his indonesian former teammate Severine who's a former IGL for BOOM..

Aaaaaand somehow EMEA signed Governor lmao..

Of course they lived rent free in my head when they've been hyped for one of APAC top team but in reality cant even beat Talon..
But you're right, were not talking about Nongshim but BOOM here, my bad.

people act like jemkin just recently joined RRQ this year smh.. The dude has been with RRQ since 2024 and they were Mid that year..

Kushy, Crazyguy and Warbirds are the game changer for RRQ this year that somehow activate jemkin and bump his ceiling as a duelist..

They literally choke againt DRX, a good team.. Unlike Nongshim who's underpeformed after people hyped them as pacific top 4 before the league lmao..

This "team of rookies and aspas on a bad day" reps Americas as the 3rd team in Toronto.. I think Americas as a region might be cooked

just like when people said PRX is nothing without something in master tokyo.. Then they got 3rd with a fricking subs/content creator lmao..

well if Valo2Asia isn't directly linked to PRX and the only ties they have to PRX are in staff then Riot shouldn't be able to exert any repercussions on Valo2Asia because they spoke out against them. That would be illegal I'm pretty sure.

This has nothing to do about Valo2Asia man, im pointing out that the people talking in that podcast in that particular episode especially like Paperthin and Bigtime literally works for Riot APAC as Desk analyst (bigtime) and shoutcaster (Paperthin)... Its incredibly stupid to speak-up or critisized your employer especially if you dont have any backing from a worker association union or the majority community. Basically its the idiom of "dont bite the hands that feeds you"..

Also PRX is not on Riot's payroll, they get financial stipends for being a Partnership team, but I doubt Riot would remove them from the league for criticising their practices? Receiving stipends =/= being on a payroll.

Bro, its literally in their franchised contract that Riot had 100% control of the Esport scene because they literally payed them to be in the league, different with other franchised system where usually a team or org is the one who payed to the league organizer to be able to gain a slot/spot on the league, they can even control sponsor deals from any team that were inside of their esport ecosystem (like no betting site sponsor, gambling sites, etc..
Remember RRQ in the beginning of franchising where they got a big warning from riot? its because they were chosen as Indonesia representative in the pacific league but somehow their roster were all filipinos, so riot gave them warning that in worst case scenario they might cancel their contract and might kick RRQ from the league if they dont listen to the community to fix their roster.. Similar to BLEED where their contract was terminated this year and promote BOOM esport because BLEED failure to comply with critical reporting requirements and other key obligations outlined in the Team Participation Agreement (TPA). Meaning that Riot would and can drop a team if they deemed them unreliable or uncooperative, especially with the 2027 Valorant frachise restructuring in the near future, alot of team want to be on Riot good side hoping they were chosen to be in their partnership programs. That's why lots of team 100% would not try to criticize riot too much or not at all.

I just don't see the connection between SOOP and V2A/why SOOP would have any say in how Riot should run their operations.

Again, it has nothing to do with valo2asia, im saying that if you work for a company like Paperthin or Bigtime at the moment, its stupid to bite the hands that literally feeds you at the moment. SOOP has big influence on RIOT especially RIOT APAC because they're co-investing into the scene especially with the fire-dumpster called SEA challenger 2025.. And dont forget that the venue they're using is literally called Sangnam SOOP colloseum, literally owned by SOOP.

fuck benkai bring back PRX Shiba

Somewhat... PRX Co-CEO Nikhil are former CSGO2ASIA CEO CMIIW.. I dont think Valo2Asia are directly linked to PRX as an org but some of their staffs and team does.

But in the end, it doesnt even matter if PRX are owned by non-korean because PRX are technically still on Riot payroll hence still under Riot APAC which are headquatered in Seoul, South Korea.. all franchised org/player/coaches/staffs/etc technically works for riot, that's why they can ban-unban or outright fire anyone in their Esport ecosystem, especially if you speaking up or criticizing something that they represent.

Nobody dares to mention their shadowy korean SOOP chaebol overlord bro... Unless "they" especially Bigtime and Paperthin want to lose their job and be unemployed..

There's no free speech inside a company

for APAC, Jake Sin gonna kick all SEA team and add Dplus, Nongshim, Northception, SLT Seongnam, Fennel, etc..

What happen to PRX, RRQ, BME, GE, TS, TLN??? they strip them of their PC priviledge somehow and forced them to play on mobile to promote Valorant Mobile in SEA. hoped im joking on this.

Congratz PRX f0rsakeN!!! winner of Valorant Mobile championship Manila 2027!!!!

No investment in SEA, no support for the scene but somehow we’re good enough to host their regional events, Make it make sense

They want SEA people to keep watching only korean pro player in "their" perfect valorant league but dont want any disgusting SEA pro players ON the league itself to challenge their seat..

Cheap production fee in SEA + Potential big viewership from SEA countries (KR full of old people now like JP) + only korean playing on the league = Jake Sin perfect wet dream.

Riot sucked korean dick for a living bro (LCK). there's no way Riot gonna fire the guy lmao...

Riot taking notes??????????? they're stupid beyond comprehension bro, especially when they put some random smuck named Jake Sin as the HEAD of APAC lmao.

They haven't even met each other in an official match yet, for crying out loud.

RRQ "general" fans kinda similar to Sentinel fans. braindead toxic fans with zero understanding of the game and only support RRQ for RRQ (which are not wrong tbh).
BOOM fans are elitist holier than thou sonuvabitches who think BOOM is the only legit "FPS" esport in Indonesia which pickeup top indonesian talent into the scene like Mindfreak, forsaken, etc.

in general? Its just normal fans behaviour for me ngl.

stop watching it in soop ass shit

Bruh, nobody are watching SEA challengers on SOOP disgusting ahhh site since the beginning.. its only traffic they're getting are 2 racist SEA people fighting on the chat while the 288 viewers are BOT lmao.

As long as Jake sin lives, the KR challenger league wont die lmao..