idk man metoer went +28 at champs and geng still lost i dont think they got it

geng got dominated by boo at champs i dont think its gonna be an issue

omen kinda just better in general at this point i think, astras global range is irrlevant omen paranoia is incredible for anchoring b or exec'ing b

na i just think hes not veery good on omen maybe he should stick to raze and pheonix

yea they have double digits because of boasters igling lmao, boaster had more impact on the sunset game than jing did on the ascent game, EASILY

"ascent is prx weakest map" is the excuse for why prx got shafted on ascent but "sunset is fncs weakest map" isnt a good excuse for why FNC lost a close game vs prx?

yea but had less assists and gave up a first kill which boaster didnt do and boaster was igling and jing wasnt

idk man omen has tp's he could just leave site feels like a him issue

honestly TH first trophy being a full mickey mouse trophy would be CINEMA

one player igling the other's only job is to shoot his gun?

but sunset has always been FNC's weakest map? they perma banned it for a full year?

boaster gets 5 kills while igling 10 + flame threads, jing drops 6 kills next map not igling but i dont see any threads?

how tf you equating getting banned from a chat to physical violence lmao, wdym fair treatment? were people flaming boaster not getting banned? how is it not fair if everyone is getting banned?

its literally a fucking streamers chat you are not entitled to be there they can ban you for literally 0 reason whenever they want its their stream, and fns has modded yinsu cause he doesnt give a shit if she bans people, so stop getting pissed off that you got banned and realise no one fucking cares

why do people act like there needs to be a real reason to get banned in a streamers chat? your not entitled to be there? if they wanna ban you for literally no reason thats their choice lmao? how you care so much about a streamer your making thread cause you got banned from chatting?

idk man TH have never actually been out of top 3 in their region since this roster started, i think ppl overhype the lows of TH even at their worst they havent even been in the bottom half of their region

issue with this take is its just form dependant, of course the top 15 tier 2 players currently in form will be better than the bottom 15 tier one players who are currently in bad form, there ARE T1 pros that have been bad for a long time and are worse than the best T2 players but like, everyone knows that

yea cause they sucked at toronto? their manager even tweeted something like "sometimes sitting down and having a talk with your team will do more than any amount of scrims" or something after the recent games, so they obviously had internal issue they hadnt sorted at toronto, nothing to do with them being asian teams they were just bad

if you are counting this event he is playing more flex than duelist this event??? ppl advocating for him on duelist are advocating for him on SOLO duelist 95% of the time you cannot judge how good he would be at that off double duelist games lmao

all time this roster is 6-4 vs asian teams, this year they are 2-2, idk how you have decided the narrative is TH are bad vs asian teams lmao just making shit up lmao

woot didnt even top frag vs G2 when they won riens and pati both went +24, woot hella owned on bind? i guess?
the FPX game i agree, FPX were a better team than anyone thought and woot hard carried vs them, but one good game doesnt mean the team, the coaching staff and him are trolling by not putting him on duelist, his average level on duelist is AT BEST equal to his average level on comfort flex agents, his peak on duelist is not higher than his peak on initiator, his literal NEXT GAME after shanghai he dropped the best game of his career on initiator and somehow people think his shanghai performance was due to being on duelist instead of just being in form, makes no sense to me

i do actually think leo 2024 emea grand finals vs th map 5 breeze is the greatest peak of any player ever, ill as fuck, IGLing the team, solo winning rounds 7 multi kills over 21 rounds 26-9, genuinely goat performance as a TH it made me consider finding a bridge... to stare out over and contemplate life obviously
https://www.vlr.gg/341821/team-heretics-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-gf/?game=169389&tab=overview

they literally just beat tec and RRQ but cause they lost at toronto asian teams are TH weakness? i think they were just bad at toronto lmao, if anything TH's kryptonite is fnatic not asian teams

EDG at shanghai would have lost to koi 13-3 13-6 lmao they were dogshit, thats why their champs run was so unexpected lmao

why are we acting like his best games at shanghai werent against DRG, FPX and EDG and he didnt flop in the finals vs geng?????

but thats literally just like, assuming duelist is the best role for him? at that point we may aswell start saying he should be a senti player because it worked for alfa we are just making stuff up lmao, or he should be a controller player cause his omen on lotus looked really good at champs

but he literally doesnt thats what confuses me??? if you ignore shanghai his 2 next best performances are both on full initiator? his first game in vs liquid and his first game post shanghai are his 2 highest rated games on vlr, which like, idk how you can not assume that means form is more important for him than role? if his best games arent on duelist and his average isnt higher on duelist, why tf does everyone think his duelist is so much better? i dont get it

he literally fucking doesnt, his duelist rating is literally exactly equal to his kayo and viper all time, last 90 days kayo gecko higher than duelist, last 60 days kayo jett equal gecko next, its literally only better if you look only at last 30 days, he had 1 crazy shanghai performance and everyone decided it was cause he was on duelist instead of him just being in form, he literally went mega positive vs RRQ playing kayo last fucking game, everyone repeats this point with out looking into it at all it pisses me off

he was also on duelist vs fnc and at toronto, and they lost, its almost like the role doesnt matter and just how functional the team is and individual form

no concept of causality, why do ppl assume him playing good at shanghai is cause he was on duelist instead of him just peeking at shanghai? i dont get it lmao, we have seen him play bad on duelist and good on other roles so why assume shanghai was because he was on duelist instead of him just being good at shanghai

he was doing this same shit on kayo last game though? literally was solo winning them rounds on icebox? its literally just individual form nothing to do with agents, hes owned on omen before, hes owned on chamber before, hes owned on kayo,tejo,skye before why do you only notice when its on duelist?

he is, pretty sure there has literally never been bad blood between the players and coaches of the teams, its literally just fans hating each other

im on the train that PRX make it out of swiss, but TH win today

tbf, they did the same to FNC the last time they played, feels like a form on the day diff between the 2 right now

idk man i think TH being second seed could give us some banger first round games in swiss, they get the PRX rematch they wanted, the aspas matchup with MIBR, them being 2nd seed lowkey gives us insane games if we are lucky

lmao, stay mad

yea but they have to believe they can win finals cause they are actually players as a fan i can believe my team are chokers and when they win im happily suprised

if xlg got to play earlier i think they would win games, they are solid, but they are first seed so basically skip the easier games lmao, good chance they dont get very many wins, but we have been suprised before, and toronto is the most open of any tournament ever basically, maybe XLG decide triple senti is the future and define the new meta and no one else finds it

TL BBL and FNC TH are the VCT matches the others are EWC quals, they overlap cause EWC suck ass and dont know how to schedule tournaments and they dont even have streams cause they made them overlap with VCT games, which riot doesnt allow.

wdym scale up to the size of csgo?

no the schedule for emea never changed because of tech issues it was always the same, there was no delay to playoffs timing

i think we need to wait and see with the tejo nerfs, yoru has been getting huge value partially because of tejo basically hard clearing certain angles and allowing yoru's to TP into sites, where usually he wouldnt be safe to do so i think with the nerfs we will see more raze being played.
also shes like, defo top 2 on split, sunset, lotus, fracture, bind, that feels very healthy, just cause its not 2023 where derke plays raze only for an entire event doesnt mean she is now bad lmao, duelists should be viable on different maps and different players should gravitate towards duelists they perform on, thats like, the best meta balance we can get, right now the only issue is maybe yoru being too strong, but we cant know for sure how strong he is until we see teams with tejo nerf.
also consider tejo dmg probably takes the place of raze nade in alot of util combos, in general tejo was heavily involved in pushing her out of the meta and with the nerfs i imagine she will get alot more play

2-0 or 2-1 th, it could be closer than people think but i think TH's map pool is too strong right now, i think maps end up as icebox (or haven), split, lotus, i think TH are favoured heavily on icebox or haven, split should favour FNC but we havent seen TH's split since week 2 and lotus went TH's way last time they played but TH won both pistols so that seems like a 50/50 to me.
TH heavy favourites map 1
FNC light favourites map 2
50/50 map 3
so defo winnable for FNC but favoured pretty heavily to TH, and tbh both teams have time to change stuff, th could have a fracture they have hidden and might ban split instead, FNC could have worked on their ascent or pearl and leave that for map 3 instead, but i think TH are pretty heavy favourites based on veto.

3rd and 4th teams get a buy to round 2 of the quals iirc

ill believe if they win EMEA, right now im predicting 4x top 4 this year

according to them they basically got to comfortable, felt like getting to internationals was a given, they also got hella sick in like, the 2 weeks leading up to the event so their prep and prac was shit, but they generally say their issue was getting too comfortable and expecting to not struggle getting to internationals, which, tbf, last year that had been the case, even when they were changing rosters every 3 weeks they didnt struggle making internationals but EMEA is more competitive this year.

bro comps do not matter in ranked, i get wanting to have functional comps, thats why i fill in ranked, but also like, it does not matter, you have a better chance winning with 5 players on duelist all comfortable and happy than a perfect team comp and 3 teammates on first time agents mad as fuck

they play good valorant, have been consistent over multiple meta's and dont lean heavily into tejo, their worst map is leaving for their historically best map, idk about favourites but contender for sure, i think winning becomes more of a possiblity after seeing if they win emea, the competition regionally is weaker if they cant win there they wont win in toronto

if people on VLR fact checked everything relevant to a post before they posted there would be 1 post a week

cause its fucking VLR who gives a shit