I don't think he's overrated or underrated tbh, he's just kind of the definition of mediocre, he rarely has good games, and is usually at the bottom of the score board or in the middle. I would take him over some other players though e.g. xeppa.

Guys 119,000 minutes isn't that much, my brother has over 230,000

and next season when their team doesn't get any results they're going to pick up vanity again

I feel like c9 just keeps signing the same players over and over again and never signs anyone new, and when they do sign a new they just kick said player out right before the season starts. They also sign mid players for far too long, and have like one talented player so it ends up becoming [insert talented players name] and friends.

I mean I do think that his neon is mid but still decent enough and I can see him getting better on it, but I can't really see him getting better on raze cause he's been bad on raze even since he joined nrg and hasn't gotten better.

1. Cloud9
2. About half of the EMEA teams (Some seem fun to watch like kc or vitality, while the others seem boring)
   3.Mibr (they took aspas from DRG)

edit: I forgot to add 100T

When will teams learn that demon1 just cannot play raze, his other duelist agents are pretty good, just not his raze.

Which EG are we talking about, the EG that sells their best players or the EG that won champs

I don't know, nothing is confirmed yet but I sure hope they did.

Who's DRG going to cut since they have 8 people on the roster plus a sub, also while I do feel like Flex1n is a pretty good pickup, I would have preferred DRG pick up a better duelist player. Hope they drop TvirusLuke and pick up any better duelist player.

One of the other problems is before they could just rely on their mechanics to diff other teams, now that teams are getting more mechanically talented, igls are starting to frag, and igls have learned how to counter their playstyle. I think they could fix this by being able to play as aggressive as they normally do while mixing in normal set strats so that their game plan is much harder for an igl to read and anti strat against.

https://imgur.com/a/vMV1j9K

We definitely have not seen enough from these teams to really rank them yet but this is my ranking from what we have seen and based on how well I think a roster will do. Also I ranked most of the ascension teams low because a lot of times ascension teams don't do all that well their first year around.

Like I get what you are saying, and its annoying for another person to say that you are missing someone from your favorites even though you obviously know who you're favorite players are, but calling vo0shaku overhyped is crazy, he has over 200 acs on almost every agent he has played with the sole exception being sage, and he has over a 1kd on all those agents. He is the sole reason DRG is even a tiny bit competitive.

The problem I feel like blg has though is they only ever beat really good teams and then the next time they play they loose to the worst team, for me they are currently a little too inconsistent, but I do agree that they are the best out of the teams I listed. Also DRG is cooked, unless vo0shaku somehow becomes a one man team(which isn't going to happen).

How the hell did Turkiye loose with cNed and wo0t to a united kingdom team filled with a bunch of tier 2 players??????

Everyone of these teams pretty much like fodder for any team who faces them right now, which do you think is the worst and which is the best?
A. All Gamers
B. JDG
C. DRG
D. BLG
E. Titan Esports
F. Tyloo
G. Nova
(Also not including XLG yet as they just ascended)

Just shit talk players that did good in the past that everyone glazes, but are actually washed and probably won't do anything impressive ever again, or if you don't want to take that approach you can shit talk about a user almost everybody hates like dort.

Not only that, he has had roster after roster built around him and has still been at best mid for the majority of vct, and while he has had moments where he has looked really good, its like once in a blue moon.

I thought it was the poop emoji until I clicked on it

EG? That High????

DRG seriously needs to rebuild their roster at this point because currently their only good player is vo0kashu and the rest of the team is either mediocre or just bad. What players do you think would make DRG competitive with the other chinese teams?

isn't pancada a smokes player. They need reduxx

Without aspas mibr will be irrelevant

This thread will age really poorly if mibr doesn't sign aspas.

He did not get diffed by miniboo what are you talking about, zekken had 10 more kills than miniboo had, and only on map 1 did he have 1 less kill than miniboo but he diffed miniboo in every other map stfu.

zekken is way better than dante on neon what are you talking about. Zekken not only has higher stats, but is also playing in tier 1 which is harder than tier 2.

What are people's thoughts on abyss now that its in the map pool and has been out for some time. Personally I don't really like playing it or watching it because its just constant rotating around the map and then playing off site after planting the bomb.

People acting like sen is cooked for the entire year cause they dropped one map. Also, I understand putting n4rrate on senti over initiator seems like a mistake, but again this is a off season tourney, most of these teams are probably using comps and player roles they won't actually use in the main season. Also no one was complaining about n4rrate on senti until abyss.

I legit thought that too oml

I think that's just vyse tbh though, even a good vyse is less effective than other senti's

Surprised no one has mentioned kangkang

A roster that is cheaper and worse than last year

Can someone explain why EMEA has way more spots in this event than other regions, like I know that they almost always have more spots but usually its only like 2 spots not 4, while other regions like NA only get 1 or APAC only gets 2, it just seems a little biased to EMEA is all.

Please stop making these N4rrate threads their braindead and annoying. Please find something better to do.

also I find it crazy the people are now having a problem with n4rrate after he joined sen, before no one even cared about what he said.

0/8

Your acting like it was the entire heretics team, and like its not an offseason tournament, calm down there's still like 3 months until the season. Also I really doubt heretics would have made it to two grand finals if it was a fluke.

While yes dash is probably the strongest duelist ability, it is limited to one unless you get 2 kills at least, neon can peak an angle and the run to the other side of the map and peek an angle and then go back or continue to push all without need to get a kill.

I don't personally buy them, I just know that like 1/3 of my school get them pretty easy, also was talking from personal experience

Its easier to hit a jett in the air then a neon who runs and slides in front of you, also neon has a stun she can just stun run and then get a kill or two and then run away, Jett has to commit if dash is used, and without dash jett doesn't have much in terms of self support other than two short smokes, and her updraft and updraft without dash is pretty bad.

Well the people in highschool use these disposable weed vapes called carts and their really cheap and easy to get which makes the problem worse

In low elo sure but in higher elo with a neon who has actually good movement no. Also the difference is updraft and dash are limited you only have one updraft and only one dash unless you kill 2 people, while neon has both two slides and can run as long as she has energy left in her bar.

This guy has never been to a highschool

While yes it doesn't have a timer, if you use your dash or updraft your left with pretty little to actually do much other than get one more kill, while neon can still run no matter what.

But in most higher level play your team isn't five man rushing a site they will usual only commit 2 or 3 players, which means that neon can get a kill run away wait for their team to rotate and then has a bunch of util to help get more kills.

Probably not but I think it would be fair then, but I think they need to make the torso multiplier a little lower and then it would make the ult a little more fair

So when a pro aces against another team its cause their braindead, obviously not, also neon has insane mobility so she can get away before getting traded

Thats that people are saying they need to nerf neons ult somehow if that means making it more ult orbs so be it. Also for an ult that cost 9 orbs it should make a team rotate
Also phx ult has a time limit and you can find his starting position and just sit and wait for his ult to end or him to die and then kill him again.

Thats like saying that anytime someone's aces its your teams fault. Dumbass take.

But viper ult takes 9 orbs rather than 7.