I think his point was that c9b shouldnt be rated so highly since theyve only really had one big accomplishment and that was 3rd at challengers and no one had seen xeppaa play. I dont think he thinks theyre not very good, I think he just wants them to do something more before people say theyre 3rd na and like 7th in the world.

Cant wait to watch some c9 x9

They might not do crazy unique things, but they dominate the info game in every match. They always get the early info and make a decision based on it. They are taking advantage of the fact that if they know where certain agents are playing they can figure out the other teams setup.

Well they did almost beat sentinels. Including a 13-1 with a player with little practice. Complexity's coach said he thought they were no. 2 na. Yes V1 beat them, but c9 still took a map and they didnt have much practice. Vanity and other pros think xeppaa will be top 5. Leaf is probably a top 5 duelist in na. Xeta is easily the best support player on initiator. There is a lot of talent on the roster and they were really close to making iceland and now they have more practice. I do understand what people mean when they say they haven't really done anything. The main point is that they have a lot of potential and if you watched their games you can clearly see that they are a strong team.

Thats why they lost to fnatic on icebox

thats shit for pro play dumbass, i agree tenz whines about stuff too much, but for pro play 50 ping is a sizeable disadvantage.

hes just negative iq

Oh lol

Immortals is literally just a farm team, they can't stick with one roster, they dont even have core players to their roster because jcstani left.

TSM have no money?

1Leaf

2. Tenz
3. Shahzam
4. Asuna
5. Yay or sick

After that players like shot up, corey, babybay, victor, and others are just typical insane na duelist players and na is full of them, these top 6 are on another level than these players imo.

Yeah you could argue tex is better rn, but a lot of pros think xeppaa will be top 5

If anyone underperforms it will not be shahzam, way too consistent

I mean, they should have the easiest bracket because no matter who they play they most likely qualify, so you would put teams that wouldn't qualify anyway against them

Its still fucked but it will improve knowing that its riot.

Idk, in ranked its preference but in pro matches the phantom gets so many easy kills through smokes, big reason why v1 beat liquid.

Honestly this is probably the most accurate list.

If you're not taking the game serious then you aren't the best nor deserve it.

1Leaf too good

They had top 5 potential, just didnt capitalize on their potential and choked

Just because hes jett doesnt mean he needs to go crazy, he has to entry and leaf baits him :)

wrong

I think its unlikely but I have a feeling G2 might be able to win, I think a map is reasonable.

Thats what i was thinking

X God

I know right, people cant discuss about this game unless they're immortal or higher.

So many things have to go right for these teams and it seems that c9 looks so much more solid than all of them. C9 just need xeppaa to be as good or better than poiz which isnt actually that difficult.

It's possible they don't play well but they have shown to have a lot of talent and are the only team that seems to stand a chance against sen.

I agree. Poiz also has other problems that xeppaa doesnt have, like bad comms. Xeppaa may be less experienced in this game, but he can play in a team setting way better than poiz. Besides Xeppaa will get plenty of experience through scrims and challengers. When Leaf joined the team he was almost immediately very good. There is literally no reason why they would put in poiz instead of xeppaa, it just doesnt make sense.

They can but they choke like vs liquid and gambit

Yeah, I think a lot of people are forgetting how much time there is for teams to improve.

I'm biased towards them, but you can argue that they'll be really good. No one has been closer to beating sen recently besides them. Also, Berlin is awhile away, so I would expect the whole team to improve in that time including xeppaa.

Yeah I was pretty sure that was the case.

I could care less because I don't play league.

I would say they are one of the most talented teams, but you can probably argue sen has more individual talent than them. The only person on sen that is not insanely talented is zombs.

excactly

I mean we can't really know, but I believe c9 and fpx will qualify and have a chance to win the whole thing. FPX should qualify, but if they choke I will never believe in them again and say they are destined to choke.

I think c9, sen, and gambit are all better than fnatic

I don't think it was on lan tho, it was just in person. I could be mistaken.

You are just hanging on to tsm and you will continue to be disappointed

C9 will win trust me bro

nah c9 will win berlin trust

Pretty hype, excited to see another big cis name in valorant along with Gambit.

I think those 2 players are amazing, but they are definitely not underrated, they are literally considered by a lot people to be the best players in the world. I also agree that shahzam is amazing and underrated and probably the best player on icebox, however the other players you mentioned are not overrated. I seriously don't think anyone think lakia, munchkin, patphan, jammpi, sacy, mixwell, steel, and zombs are better than any of those 3 so I don't think it makes sense to say they are overrated and cned, scream, and shahzam are underrated.

I still think zombs is overall underrated despite probably not being the best astra.

this is probably the most blatant bait I've ever seen, you literally just took like the best players from every team besides zombs and steel and said they were overrated.

C9 qualify for sure, especially if they put in xeppaa

I don't see TSM qualifying they are just so all over the place right now. Also I don't see C9 qualifying because they were so strong in challengers finals and we know they can only improve. I think either V1 or 100T can qualify cuz Vanity and Steel are big brains.

Yeah I don't see Sen and C9 not qualifying. Also I think its possible Acend qualify instead of liquid. FPX choke a lot so I think they might not qualify and some other good eu team qualify like vitality, nip, or alliance.

I think I agree with all of this honestly, my only real differences would be like 100T or V1 (in my mind C9B will have improved so much by then they might even be the best team in Na so they qualify no matter what). FPX or G2 just because maybe the roster changes will work out and FPX are choke gods. In Brazil I feel Furia or Gamelanders can qualify because Gamelanders can't beat sharks for their lives but I think Furia is better than sharks, but Gamelanders are still good. The rest all right pretty much.