prime sen was and still is the most dominate team that valorant has ever seen i can see your argument for gambit but they would get cooked under sen. Also fraudnatic kekw.

if the greatest of each year were placed in a double elim playoff like tourney (like madrid) who you got winning

2021 - sen (don't have to explain this they were just better and dominated iceland)
2022 - optic/loud (gonna have to say optic due to iceland and how dominate they were there + how consistent they stayed but you could argue if loud was better but were pretty even)
2023 - eg (no fraudnatic kekw team got cooked at champs when teams actually were playing with monitors and no subs)
2024 - sen (yeah don't have to explain this one either)

bracket: sen (21) vs eg, optic (or loud if you think they were better) vs sen (24)

(also just realized that all these teams are america teams i did not do that on purpose lmao they just better i guess)

would be surprised to even see fnatic at another international event this year let alone win another one with the performance they be putting up against the teams that placed the same as the teams from china at madrid

in tokyo i agree mostly everything but upper finals, eg could have gotten a much needed motivation boost but besides that they kind of cooked in finals

im talking about map 3 where if leo and chronicle weren't popping off they would have lost it was 11-13 too

at this point theres no justification that you can say that fnatic isn't washed and im not even trying to offend fnatic fans with this its just embarrassing how they went from "best team in the world" to "will they even make it to an international event this year?"

you start to even question the legitimacy of the trophies they won, lockin was a lab experiment where teams could test their new rosters and make changes to it or their gameplay accordingly and even then fnatic barely managed to scrap by to get a win and in tokyo they once again barely managed to scrap by having leo and chronicle carry them on map three and then eg having to play against a prx (who by the way was much better than expected) and having the disadvantage of map vetos and having basically no practice with demon1 before the tourney.

seems a lot like the sen paradox where they just magically became so bad after iceland and i wouldn't be surprised if fnatic loses to the likes of fut, navi, (hell even giants have a chance unless redgar goes like 9 times negative again)

hes supposed to hes not right now since he's not the required age to play in vct

because he knew they were cooked

yo can yall kc, th, and navi fans like send your power to your teams during the stage 1 series pls i do not want to see fraudnatic go to another tournament and people saying they are the best team in the world like come on at this point its getting annoying. yinsu was already yapping about them at madrid and THEY WEREN'T EVEN THERE.

nah only win condition that sen needs is quack1 needs to misclick and not lock in phoenix then they good

yeah i guess but still in this day of age its really easy to just ask your parent for their phone and 9/10 times they don't care and just let you use it if you just don't do anything bad with it plus it would basically kill the market for alt accounts that people want to buy

don't really know how it works since you would need the phone or sms card to even verify your account but I wouldn't be surprised if it was real. plus even then it would reduce the amount of smurf accounts a lot since not everyone is gonna try and go to some fishy website and buy a phone number

they would still need the phone/a phone no? no one is gonna put some fishy sms card into their phone they got off the market for like 2 dollars unless they hella desperate

thats literally the problem people who are too high ranked or can't do good in their own rank just go into lower elo and smurf in that elo. Just imagine if that was you on the other side getting pooped on by a reyna going 37/6 with absolutely no counterplay since your teammates don't know how to react to someone who is 10 times better than you. There is also something called unrated and I know that its much more boring than ranked but its still a good way to play with friends plus five stacking still exists

can't they just make it so if you want to play ranked you need to have a verified phone number like they do in premier? seems like an easy fix to reduce the amount of smurf accounts and saves ranked from the throwers and people who can't play in their own elo from making 10 alt accounts without a care in the world and throwing/carrying enemy team.

and before someone says not everyone has a phone we have this thing called parents and they (usually) have two phones which means you can make 2 accounts so unless your a family of 5 your good anyways.

its one of those days cuz the event itself is like a week and a half and winners probably play before losers do (or other way around)

its just for people who don't play in eu since you can't access the servers otherwise

anyone know who the igl for mibr is or do they not have one

honestly im not gonna lie bro could be a cracked player but the thing is right now he kind of booty and im pretty sure its because of how good prx is (or was) and closing the gap between him and the rest of the team is huge. like look at GenG most of the team was combined with players from other teams who also didn't exactly find much success but since they were all on the same level its easy to push them to bring out their true potential which is kind of hard with monyet just because of how good prx is.

another braindead na fan did you also fall into a coma? zombs is NOT retired the only reason he isn't playing for sen right now is because semon1 threw his mouse across the stadium after losing a humble defeat of 2-0 26-0 lead by our GOAT zombs and he broke his left arm and had to bench himself since he knew he would be too much even with one hand and is now the coach leading sen in madrid.

something needs to be lowered until my king drops 30 again

at least they can qualify to it 0rg couldn't even beat sen even with ethan putting 4 lil bros on his back

no way bruh just because ethan had a amazing game on it once doesn't mean that nrg owns the map plus they almost lost it to c9 on it too. There was some game plan behind it but it was either ethan gets 3 and wins the round for them or sen is up numbers and ethan clutches and if he didn't do that then they lost the round.

i don't think they're allowed to maybe a short time after madrid but even then quack one is still looking pretty good he just needs to learn how to actually play raze and not be a phoenix one trick so loud isn't that screwed without aspas plus pretty sure he be getting paid bank over there

both fortnite players buy shotguns and 200 pump everyone resulting in 2-0 26-0 every match

it'll either work like champs in 2021 with single elim (hope its not cuz that is stupid) or like any other normal tournament with double elim. just think of playoffs as group stages with single elim basically.

kermit cannot aim and igl with asuna screaming

chaden stuck the bomb twice to win sen the map/series in the two most important games (g2 vs sen and loud vs sen)

why is kc number 5? even as an edg/prx fan i can see them being much higher and even having a chance of taking loud's spot. they have had their core for only 3 months and are dominating emea and also taking down fnatic 2-0.

im not even gonna lie im gonna need everyone on th to change their names to a multiple of boo so we can get boo miniboo tripleboo and quadrupleboo and then we can keep benjifishy this team would 2-0 any team 26-0

fr they didn't have enough time to give the script to china but still finals ended 3-1 they got it to late tho

FNATIC WHERE? NRG WHERE? NOT IN MASTERS THEY AREN'T

only real talk is fnatic winning 2 trophies which i can agree with is pretty impressive but that doesn't remove the fact that they got slapped around by engh and kc

liquid winning emea doesn't really mean anything since at tokyo they lost pretty badly only winning a close series with edg and fumbling champs

giants playing in champs doesn't mean anything either since first of all they didn't have redgar on their team at the time and they also got humbled in groups too.

real talk was only good because of engh look at every member now, chronicle on fnatic, nats on liquid, redgar on giantx, sheydos on koi, and d3ffo/jady/purp0 all in t2 and none of them qualified for masters but the team with engh coaching it did.

and before anyone says "chronicle won two tournaments" well engh was in t2 and he humbled chronicle when he came back.

well well well

they'll have more trophies than PRX 💀

boo miniboo tripleboo quadrupleboo and fortnite streamer will be dropping 40 each on navi today

which team threw masters to pubg streamer?

same team that dominated lcq btw calling them a shit team while them being top 4 in their league at the time is crazy. Also teams can have better performances than previously?

thats why i said "heavy lan experience" after that plus these players were the best in their teams. leo was the best in guild despite guild placing poorly and alfa being the firepower behind fnatic way before 2023. chronicle was arguably the best player alongside nats on gambit and boaster and derke have been in the vct scene since the first masters.

see your point but the problem is that fnatic had a much better starting team than anyone else, basically all of their players were world champions or had heavy lan experience so they were already ahead in that department with amazing aim while teams like navi had to deal with the ange1 experience, loud having 2 rookies, and drx having to deal with loud if they wanted to go to grand finals (also the fact that drx had never really done much improvement even tho they kept their original 5). it also doesn't change the fact that they weren't "dominate" in either tourney, they were getting cooked by loud at lockin and also like i said before had an arguably easier bracket in tokyo not even winning "dominantly" against eg.

sen isn't going to win they just gonna get out aimed by lev or gonna get out smartest by loud. only way they have a chance at winning is against lev if aspas and tex take the day off and don't shoot back

wym "hyped the whole off season" even in the platchat's vod they literally say that sayf was a W pick up but they didn't know about kicks or runner and said there were much better options than them. the only reason they had some hope was because of sayf's signing and that was pretty much it, without him there would have been no "hype" around the team.

losing no maps in lock in doesn't mean anything, not only were they playing against newly formed teams most of them were pretty trash ngl. even navi made it to finals flawless than got beat by fnatic who couldn't even beat them effortlessly, they still almost lost on both haven and fracture so doesn't mean anything about not losing any maps (btw navi didn't even make it to playoffs in both champs or tokyo). second only losing one map in tokyo doesn't exactly mean anything either except for beating eg, they had arguably the easier side of the bracket never having to met loud (even if they did they probably would have beaten them since they were shaky during the tourney) and only had to play against a shaky nrg and broken prx before meeting up with eg who btw had a very good chance at beating them so there was no "dominance" in any of these tourneys. also btw they got destroyed by loud in champs so idk where that "dominance" went.

fnatic even now is hella overrated, they were dominate in 2023 by winning both lock in and tokyo but then almost drop a map to vitality who aren't even ranked that high in terms of teams. the only times that fnatic has been pushed to ot or close to it were against teams like loud, eg, and tl during playoffs in emea all being high tier teams (with the exception of tl but they did better in playoffs than in champs and tokyo). so unless you want to classify vitality as a top tier team (which for now they aren't) than yeah fnatic has gotten much worse since 2023.

because valorant wasn't released in china until 2023? no one is playing the game to come up with strats except for pros or develop new and better players. Yet even with this navi and giants still got pooped on by edg