he is the goat igl. That should be enough
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but you failed to consider the fact that Nats is the Goat
Nats will drop another legacy performance. Liquid will prevail
Nats has been pure aura his entire career. Its hard to have aura as a baiter like aspas.
this year they went full budget roster. Next year i could see the org convince to spend big since they have something to build on. Meaning so far Lohan has been financially restricted. I hope the show ambition. All they lack is a bit more player quality.
He was insane beginning of 2024 for Vitality on flex. Issue was runner heavy underperforming on duelist. The switch made a lot of sense for Runners performance also.
I agree he is best on duelist but i see him as world class on other roles too.
On Liquid you would fix all his issues: He gets a strong coach with Lohan with an established system with a strong IGL in Nats. Currently he could both be an amazing replacement for Serial on flex and Kamo on duelist. I do think serial is the bigger weakpoint right now so there is the reasonable tendency to put him on flex.
I am thoroughly convinced that Liquid would turn into a champs winning contender with Sayf added.
It would be by far the best storyline and really deserved for Nats. Its really sad that all the challenges have been thrown their way. It will be hard
yeah i hope mibr can bounce back at the EWC !
Oh yeah, i'm arguing for a roster swap into 2026 mosly. This year is more complicated but honestly i wouldnt be shocked if it worked with the right players.
If they could i would bring in Sayf for Stage 2 100% no doubt.
he "dodged it" because fucking Derke was on the market. Of course a flexible player like him would just take another role.
BTW this recent narrative that he can only frag on duelist is also verifiably false. His entire career he has been a top tier fragger on multiple roles. Even as late as this very year he fragged out on inis. He just moved to duelist because he was mechanically much better than his teammates in Liquid & Vitality and as you know you can leverage your aim better with your gun out.
The only issue with Sayf is his IGLing. he just isnt good at that. Plus his coach is a bum. Lohan gives Nats a big stratbook for every map every week. Faded just does fuck all.
i need you to manifest an EU trophy win in Toronto my guy
and the assumption is that the current rosters vibes would be better than one with other players why exactly?
i really aint readin allat
what? Thats not the reason the team imploded. The IGLing is just bad. They could get away with it early in the season because every team played bad but not anymore.
If anything trexx was at fault anyway. The rest of the team agrees with that perspective.
Sayf played perfectly fine on last years vitality. The only time he had disagreements was with a washed redgar. And that happens all the time in teams.
The sayf hate train has cemented so many false ideas in the heads of people.
brother.... Mibr had the worst record of any team at internationals ever.... Heretics are more disappointing because they have higher ceiling but tht wasnt the question.
Real list:
Father Nats did not fly 10 hours to play 2 matches. He will defeat all evil.
No they will not. Buty penny looks deserving of a T1 spot in americas. Someone should give him a shot
They will not play this roster in 2026. Everyone knows that
elite already has been a top 3 rated player in emea. He has proven it already
If you can get one of the best duelists in the world you do it. I doubt the relationship is this terrible. He is mad, sure. But nobody was murdered here.
FNC and Liquid will do damage in playoffs. The trophy is coming home this time.
I believe!
0 trophy valyn a goat??? lmao
true list:
as of this moment if i have to sort by quality i would say:
S-tier: Nats, Keiko
B-tier: Kamo
C-tier: Patitek, Serial
C is a must. B should also be improvable. I would try for comeback if Mates cant keep him first or Sayf. If you cant get them look for whoever performs the best in T2 from the really young guys for the rest of the year. Izzy is really good. He is an option. Advantage for Kamo however is flexibility and team chemistry. He does some calling. So Izzy will have to frag much better to replace him.
Jetlag Nats will expose apac frauds
He was close second behind nats in 2021. He was the MVP of Champs 2021
...when the actual Goat is held back from dominating the game by his own health.
True Goat Leo. I miss you.
He is in amazing form right now and deserves a shot but he isnt the 18 year old prodigy type player
Violated by Liquid in Valorant into getting violated by Faze in CS.
Time to disband
Fun Fact: in both cases they got destroyed by the goat of the game
You are right. Valorant is desperate for a goat but so far there just hasnt been clear contender
These teams were complete ass at this event.
Bye byeeeee fly home shitters
He deserves another trophy and to be in goat convos. Thats true
Man he disappeared completely
Aspas in big 2025 getting sat down by cereal bowl
Nats has a Nr.1 year as a player in 2021. That matters a lot. He just needs one more trophy and you can make a case for top 3 goat easily
Mates or Kcorp would need to be at masters contending level to do that
Right now Gentlemates.
Im serious
Team Liquid have players who perform when the pressure is on. They dont get scared, disheartened, undconfident when they do badly in high pressure. Nats is ice cold too. A true leader.
Heretics however always struggle mentally. Skill wise they should win champs. But always confidence issues, panic, depression, tilt... If these kids dont grow up they will never win with this roster.
Put Shao and Chronicle on his team next year and he wins champs
Not sure... But this will get penny a T1 job somewhere.
If Nats had better teams the past 2 years he couldve been the goat. I hope he gets that next year. This teams core can grow a lot
People are heavy sleeping on coaching staff. Liquid only has 2 star players, one of them having igl duties, and they still perform this well.
Give Lohan one or two more top players and he can win trophies
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