why hate tenz for that?kinda on other players if they didn't bring anything to the table?

well that wont happen unless they drop pancada.who would they drop?

this is tough man

but lets be real tho,every masters does include the best teams from their regions.So there really isnt much difference

Sacy is a good player ,i think he sometimes gets lost thats it.As they play more he'll become really strong.Remember sacy is used to playing in good team cohesion systems.Once sen get to that teamplay wise sacy will shine

he is dual streaming on twitch and youtube

sen looked better than they did during mxm thats for sure,could be cause pancada was sick,so there was info missing during that match.That would explain a lot.

that is the last thing sen will do.Right now sens leverage is clout.They aren't letting the clout team drop and try to build a new winning roster

yeah which brings in money.Like u see every other org they wanna win cause thats more popularity.Sen is in a position where they have that popularity even without winning,so they aren't worried.

i mean why would sen give up the spot?that spot helps them bring money and also riot wouldn't drop it because sen is good publicity.

im being the most realistic here.Idk why people keep having expectations for them.

oh im ready,prolly gonna be the camera man

well u wouldnt say that during the regular season would u?Everyone was dogging on them even w demon1.People forget how eg got clowned during the regular season by everyone.When they suddenly started winning during the playoffs, people then hopped on the train and was ohhh yeahhhhh its because of these things they are winning.Ethan has been playing since the beginning of the year and people were clowning him too for being on eg.So lets not act like people always believed in them.Its easy to say the things u said because there were results but its not like they didn't have these pieces during the regular season.If they didn't qual through mibr beating 100t people would still clown on them because they wouldn't have been able to see what Eg was capable of

Again,they don't give af if they win,The win is only a bonus to them.Like the playres and coaches wanna win but the org overall is okay

I think people wanting sen to drop this roster just wont happen cause sen ultimately is the clout team

i'd say the reason xset did well is cause of zekken,cryo and their set gameplans but they could never win anything cause they had deph,bcj and ayrin.

i mean look at eg ,same roster 3 years no win at the bottom ,getting shit talked to oblivion and 3 years of practice compounded and suddenly clicked and they won.I think sen has same mentality rn after seeing eg last season.Also,works that their entire team is clouted asf,hence they won't drop them either.Sen's idea rn is just let this clouted 5 play for a while and hopefully they pull an eg eventually.Even if they don't, they won't lose anything cause they get dividends from the clout.So sen is already in a win win situation. Getting a win will only compound on that.That is pretty smart.

I mean he was on the old xset roster and that team cooked even w shit pieces like bcj,ayrin and deph.So i'd give drew credit.The xset roster was known for cryo,zekken and their game plans.

yeah they tried to accomodate the igl,which would make sense.But,unluckily deph didn't do shit

i mean look at eg ,same roster 3 years no win at the bottom and suddenly becoming gods.I think sen has same mentality rn after last season.Also,works that their entire team is clouted asf,hence they won't drop them either.Sen's idea rn is just let this clouted 5 play for a while and hopefully they pull an eg eventually.Even if they don't they won't lose anything cause they get dividends from the clout.So sen is already in a win win situation.Getting a win will only compound on that.Can't hate on it if it works

yeah they used the same strats from lcq in bind,we didn't really see anything new in it.

well at that time,that was the only option they had.

why we acting like there aren't other teams that have language barriers.Like Alfajer,his english isn't the best but he can still communicate fine.I'd say pancada is maybe a little behind Alfajer when it comes to english.

well im just saying what i heard from the source,idk if he is coping or actually fr.

they have set strats for haven and ascent probably,but they were trying new shit out it seems like,idk

well from what I heard from Drew,they are gonna try new stuff out in these off season tourneys ,thats the whole point of them playing in them apparently

His discord,he always holds QnA's there after matches and answers questions almost everyday

From what I heard,Drewspark basically said,this was a good time to try out some new stuff in an actual match environment ig.Especially in haven they kept trying to do that A fake and B and try to match the timing.But,didn't work much.That sort of stuff.Now I get that scrims are supposed to be for that type of thing,so idk.But it seemed like their overall consensus was they just gonna try shit in these offseason tourneys like some teams did last year in the off season.Take it as u will.

yeah ig i just had higher expectations tbh but yeah the season hasnt started yet so all g

Bro this legit looks like lcq cant lie.Good on bind,bad on rest

probably not

yes

IK i am saying if sen cant get to that level then they shit

I am saying thats the level needed to win in franchising

do u think fnatic would need to try to win against mxm?

BRO they shouldnt need strats to play against t2 teams lmao,some basic regular strats should be enough lmao.If they can't do that sen should just sign the mxm team lmao

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keep believing that lmao,if this aint a walk in the park for them then sen is gonna be bottom tier forever

how do u not see the problem here?these guys are t2 teams,if sen can't win against them without trying then they will never win tourneys lmao.

sen dont look tight at all lmao,,bind is their good map but i could still see the sloppiness.

I said it they dont look tight

g2 is a good team tho

u cant compare them now ,players decline in skill.1 year of no winning will do that

Im bein strict cause i want them to win titles ,not be some 3-4 place team

Sen obv wins this idk what people expected but only against G2 will we see if sen can be a contender or not

u heard me,they looked good on atk but remember this is tier 2 team.Zekken seems the only one who seems like a top franchise players,the rest look mid tier franchise.

im not really seeing the loud or fnatic tightness,maybe 2 months more will bring that

just saw it today :(

https://www.vlr.gg/event/1763/afreecatv-valorant-league
Looks like a lot of the big teams are there,sen,drx,tl,edg,prx,t1?Banger tourney.
From december 5-11

His time on c9 really dropped his stocks