But the stakes were the same for everyone?The teams that lost in kickoff were in a better position than the ones that made it in madrid.They had the advantages and they still lost.How can u call it fraudulent in that case?The madrid teams made it there through the gauntlet especially the 1st seeds.Fnc has a match bye and only played 1 match to playoff.Thats a very big advantage.They still couldnt make it despite kc going through the gauntlet and showing everything.Same with NRG.If ur team cant win with those advantages they were never gonna do well in madrid

We dk we shall see.All we can do is just support them

Well u cant judge a team like that.Geng played vs pacific teams for the most part.So its gonna be skewed.Sen lost in icebox in a close fashion to loud.

exactly.The fans are in no way in control by the teams,so we should really be more supportive

exactly geng played extremely good valorant.Now would be a good time for everyone to send them affirmations and condolences and give them support.

Has any1 done any calculations as to how many points a team would realistically need to be in the safety for chamsp?Now that sen has 6 pts,how many more do they need to be in the safety for champs.Lets say sen winout split1 and win shanghai are they good for champs?

exactly.Everyone yesterday and through kick/off were shitting on the sen fans despite them just celebrating their wins.Even 2 days ago all the pacific and emea people were shitting on them.How do u think they felt?From what I am seeing the sen fans arent even being toxic they are busy celebrating their win.

well ur right and sort of missing the point.Its not like teams didnt work hard.Im sure they worked hard,but the duration.Like nrg roster was literally made like a month and half before kickoff.So it all comes to the duration.I think the point he was trying to make every team has worked hard.But sen has been working hard for like 6+ months if that makes sense.

every fanbase is toxic. Do u think if the finals was emea and pacific,the emea fans wouldnt be toxic?I dont think any1 is truly toxic at all.Its all banter and I think they all should be taken lightheartedly ,unless they are being assholes

They got shit on for 2+ years by the community for believing in the team,even yesterday and 2 days ago people were shitting on them.I don't think u can be mad at them for talking shit back now that they actually have won.Just give them their congrats and move on.At the end of the day its all valorant.When a team wins u gotta give them the props and same to the losing team.They all worked very hard and made it to the best of the best stage.I think now is a good time to applaud all the players hard work and enjoy now that everything is over.We can start the banter again in stage 1.

ok?but did u forget how many people were shitting on them?Like how are u mad they are talking shit back when u guys were the ones shitting on them?

hell naw ethan igl.U could build a superteam with many combination of players it doesn't matter.Igl I gotta give to fns ,if u have a team of experienced and good players then fns is the igl for that team.

they were never gonna win this.Their only saving grace was going through the upper finals.If they didnt the series woulda been 3-0.

Fnatic aint first for sure.Loud/Optic gotta be first

Well can't go with that narrative anymore ,people have already decided champs is worth more than masters,so higher prestige

no,its the same reason overwatch didn't.Europe playstyle just isn't for valorant.They try to approach the game in a way that isn't valorant like.They try to play methodical and slow which probably isn't the best approach to val.Valorant seems to be heading into a very fast paced game gameplay wise.Maybe I'm wrong.But I just dont see it.

ow was also an fps ,to me it seems like valorant is moving more like ow than cs.Now that abilities and puggy playstyles are more prodominent,europe don't play like that.The slow and methodical approach to the game is what europe was pretty good at but valorant not the case.

I think China is gonna be bigger and its gonna be a rivalry between china,apac and americas.Europe just doesn't seem like a valorant region.These puggy style games ,u know how in overwatch and stuff korea ,america,korea,china was pretty good.So its gonna be something similar

technically if a team wins everygame in the split and then wins shanghai,then some games in split 2 they could get more than 10 points.As long as sen win the games in the split i think they should be fine but if they wanna guarantee champs they gotta get 15 probably

I think sen needs to start fighting.Gen g has a perfect balance of fighting and utils.Sen needs to start doing that

I swear they were so much better at playing off of each other ,they literally seem like they have lost that

Well vast majority of people dont care for the analysis.Tarik just feels like a hangout casual thats why

Start using the guns instead of using utils ,idk they get caught off guard by them clearing stuff soo much

I mean u cant say they threw many advantage rounds

They already won kickoff.So they already won something.Be happy they even made it to grandfinals for the first time w this roster

Bro what is he supposed to do ,2 guys die short,he gotta hurry up there

Nah they gotta win this one.There are more teams up and coming that are wayy more insane.Lev,Nrg are there.

Bro dont even on breeze,we kept getting first bloods and then just kept dropping the ball.I dont even blame johnqt there.

the calls are fine,but sen getting diffed peek wise.Sen played no confident in their aim,lazy peeks etc.

Sen wayy too scared of them tbh.No confident peeks.Zekken the only one shooting.GGS

idk what happened.But ur right.They dont look good

Yeah sen is gone ggs

But when is he performing?u can remember the 2 times he has clutched.Thats it.Like he needs to be able to shoot as well.

Him winning champs got nothing to do w how he is playing now?

i think cause of the playstyle,which I agree with but seems like sen like sort of just give up positions or think they are safe after which costs them so much.Like those are the gaps that these pacific teams use to punish them.

I am mad too,they threw 5 advantage rounds.Idk man,people in ranked could probably use the advantages better than they did .

john knows he didnt do entry trips so he def knows someone could lurk from there.Lime

Bro?they need to be expecting from everywhere there is a gap.Thats valo 101

BOR THESE ARE PRO PLAYERS HOW DO THEY NOT KEEP TRACK OF GAPS ON THE MAP?

What are u on about there are 4 people there and he flashed 2?

hell naw

First time in 30 matches,so pretty sure we can let it slide?

nah if u see their breeze from before it wasn't this trash.They had the read for going aggro in A cause of no senti but idk why they ran it so many times when they saw it didn't work.If they played slow and defaulty like they normally do they woulda at least done better.Actually the rounds they won were cause of the defaults I think.

idk im lost too

I really don't think their ascent is bad.I think just need more reps on it tbh .Like they have good ideas on ascent but the executions they struggle in. Its looking like their split from off season.Where they had the right ideas but lacked the execution.I think by the time stage 1 ends and they play more ascent this map can be a good map for them

nothing,I was just saying it is the same cringe as any copy pasta.No point in paying attention to them.Most are probably chatgptd anyway

Their split I really think they can flesh out very easily.Its easy fix on split.I think after they lost yesterday they didnt go back to the drawing board to fix the issues but they know they are probably gonna play split tmrw.So I think they will.Its not like sen are suddenly bad at the map.They know how to play split well,they can def figure it out especially since its a grandfinals

this is the same as any other copy pasta idk whats so serious about it

geng icebox is alright ,they lost to edg on it 13-8 I think,while loud 13-2 edg on icebox.So its not like they are amazing on it either.Ascent is what's gonna be interesting.Sen looked pretty decent on ascent today but I'm not gonna favor them off of just one good game on ascent.So yeah,I'd say sen doesn't have a chance on breeze and ascent.So depending on the order of the map it could go either way tbh

geng icebox is alright ,they lost to edg on it 13-8 I think,while loud 13-2 edg on icebox.So its not like they are amazing on it either.Ascent is what's gonna be interesting.Sen looked pretty decent on ascent today but I'm not gonna favor them off of just one good game on ascent.So yeah,I'd say sen doesn't have a chance on breeze and ascent.So depending on the order of the map it could go either way tbh