I feel like Map bans and agents ban are just not the way to go, especially in lower ELOs if you think about it. With map bans people would play maps they are comfortable playing, and 95% of the time that's gonna be stuff like haven, ascent and lotus for some, legacy maps that people been playing for ages. Any new maps that come out would not be played at all in lower elos cuz many people in this ranks are playing for fun, they dont really care about a new maps and would intentionally dodge new maps because they dont care and dont want to learn any new maps, creating a situation such as in CS where the only relevant maps in comp is the same 3 map rotation at most. Map bans also hurt people that like new maps like corrode ( me ) and abyss ( also me and my team ), as the chance we get to play them in competitive would be near zero cause the enemies are gonna ban maps they aren't used to, or play as much in their entire valorant lifespan, especially in ASC and IMMO where im playing around. And if we do get to play this maps, its simply because its also the enemy best or favourite maps to play, causing the pool of data / matches to be much more skewed towards 1 team best map vs another team best map scenarios. Hell in tournaments, we barely get a chance to play sunset and corrode since its an insta ban for basically all the teams, so even if its our best map / most creative map we cant do much with it and lose abit of the spark and fun that comes with learning and performing on a new map, since people dont like changes...

The worst part about this is that PRX as an org is absolutely under fire just like T1 LOL due to the disgusting nature of the minorities that so happens to support these teams and making braindead statements over assumptions. Ik so many prx fans that support PRX like how you would support a normal sports team yet seeing those crazed maniacs sporting PRX yet spouting such nonsense hurts quite a bit.

Just a side note but dont mix the Team and its players with the fans of the team as much, especially since PRX is practically the most popular team in Asia which in history has also shown to be the most toxic and insufferable out of all the regions in terms of fanbase ( stemming harshly from Kpop fan behaviours influencing other fans specifically from SEA ).

He is.. though? Have you seen their voice comps, their vlogs and other related videos / behind the scenes? also have u even seen my edit on my opinion about how something would probably get the highest paid offers, while forsaken get the most individual offers due to how both of their skillsets offer completely different upgrades / value to different teams depending on their current position? I believe something is the most mechanical player in not just PRX but top 3 in the world after he gets more experience and not overheat as much ( which is happening very rarely already ), but thats not to discredit why most people in this thread is choosing forsaken as the one with the MOST individual offers, which is simply due to him being able to fit into most teams while offering great value and upgrades to most teams who just need a bit more power, a bit more value to be a top tier team.

Looking at just pure ratings is not the only indicator whether a player is gonna get offers though? Most IGLs have shit rating yet they get alot of offers because they provide a different set of skills and value to the team compare to fraggers like Something / Aspas. Forsaken in this case provides most teams across the world flexibility and innovations in how agents like Yoru or harbour can be played at the highest level, while still being able to frag really well when needed.

Edit: is something gonna get some crazy maybe even record breaking offer? Yea i believe he can and probably will in the off chance PRX disbands either now or in the future when he gets even better. Is he gonna get the most offers though? Not exactly, since many teams already have a set core / star fragger in their team, switching the entire team chemistry out and trying to rebuild ( not knowing whether it will pay off) is not worth the risk for those teams that have already settled, hence why forsaken may receive the MOST offers, not the highest paid offer but the MOST offers from teams, since his skillset provides an upgrade to most players while not disrupting the team playstyle / chemistry due to how flexible he can be while still performing at a pretty high level

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That is indeed what skill ceiling and skill floor means.

Skill floor- minimum amount of skills needed to play a certain character or game
Skill ceiling- the maximum amount of skills that can be displayed / peak performance

Having a high skill ceiling means that there is many things to learn even if your the best player, like Tekken 7 or other fighting games where new skills or tech are being discovered as the game continue on, and vice versa.

Having a high skill floor means for a completely new player, it would take quite a lot of effort and time to be able to play that character or game at a certain level, like Yoru where his kit is complex in the first place to use.

Valve didn't kill asian CS directly. However they have left it to rot. All Majors, and nearly all tier 1 events has been held mostly in the EU beside a few in NA and SA. CSGO was thriving really well in SEA with it being the most popular FPS on PC for years, yet there was barely any strong teams if none coming out from the scene, with the sole reason being the absolute lack of support or investment into the region from Valve. even NA CS got threw to the sideline due to again, a lack of investment into the region. Yes there was a few major or tier 1 events in NA, however the amount looks puny when u compare to just how much tournaments and investment were thrown into EU instead. NACS got worse not just because EU had a larger talent pool, it got worse because Top NA teams had to completely relocate to EU just to keep up with the competition, or risk falling farther behind, leaving an even bigger drought for NACS talents and teams.

People seems to not realize why forsaken didn't check corners, when u see 1 detained u would expect it to be someone that didnt make it in time, and not hide inside ESPECIALLY in a pro match, why would u check when killjoy ult has time and time again clear the entire site.

RRQ made promises to be indonesia representative before franchised teams were announced, basically hyping themselves up as Indonesia savior of sorts, and remember their team were full of Philipines players at first, so to take over teams such as Boom means the whole of Indonesia are staring at the backs of RRQ to represent them, which backfired immensely when they barely got any Indonesians on the team

Paper Rex on the other hand never made that sort of big promise to the community and for the most part the benching of Benkai is just because he is not working well with the team, and not a direct attack at MY/SG or anything of the sorts. PRX HQ is also situated in Singapore, and until that move they will still be considered the franchised team from MY/SG.

I mean, prx just completely dismantled the crap out of GenG and while they started off a bit slow, after something addition beside drx they had quite a smooth sailing thus far.

Isnt d4v4i literally one of the most consistent players on PRX? He is rarely near the bottom of the leaderboards, 2nd-3rd frags with occasional top frag, and he is basically the second igl of the team beside Benkai, while still clutching important rounds and rarely missing shots, compare to jing who can definitely do super well, but in his current form is playing pretty badly just by looking at the scoreline, mindfreak also slowly returning to 2022 MF and doing some crazy shit.

Val is supporting atleast 30 orgs though? 10 from each region and 42 at the end of it and that's just TIER 1. Tier 2 is offering even more teams and it's literally the same as this year except team play to enter the franchise league and not master.

When it comes to salaries though League is far higher, perkz was given a 3millon+ contract that lasted 2 years, Faker was given a blank cheque by NA and 8 digits contracts by Chinese team. Rejecting those two he still now have a stake in T1. I also have to argue that while COVID absolutely shut NA CS down, most TOs and Valve PRIOTIZE the recovery of EU and let NA to rot with barely any tourneys. While they were more events, a lack of regulations led many players to be jumping teams, unable to form a bond. It also led to many players that were stranded in EU without any clue of their future as there is just so little teams that can provide a future. In CS unless your a top 15 team, it's basically a free for all where players are scare for their future even since teams may dropped them at any time. Salaries aren't high aswell compare to Dota or League.

On a sidenote, league viewership have been increasing year by year and last year they peaked higher than any pc game

Mhm, Val may fall or it may soar, franchise is a double edge sword that either takes Valorant to greater heights like League of legends or plummet to oblivion due to riot incapability as a game developer and organisers like overwatch and blizzard

While yes, I can also argued that the reason CS only succeeded in EU is that valve and most TOs have neglected Asia. Look at what happened when they weren't neglected, overwatch dominated by Korean players, League of Legends eastern hemisphere is known to be kings, valorant actually have fair international competition in that any region have a chance, look at this year alone where Asia make top 3 twice, top 2 once, NA EU presence is always in the top 4 and top 1, SA has loud and lev to bring the region up.

Its fine I get it. Though poaching in its sense is not as bad as one would think. For poaching to work, there's 3 things at play. Players must agree, the Orgs holding the players must agree, and lastly contracts. The player contracts must have already ended before they are allowed to be poach ( in reference to the rules given by riot in that if a player is signed, they are required to be signed atleast for a season aka whole year, and the contract can't be broken unless dire circumstances. Mid season is more of a loan / temporary buyout rather than full-time to help fill in gaps a franchise team might have ).

I have doubt about riot franchise until they slowly reveal one by one the rules and regulations, the system in place and how everything is taking place. I am uncertain whether it will fail or succeed as it depends on many factors, but riot has given quite a few safety nets in salaries, poaching, T2/3 buffers where orgs in franchised can't just take anything they want. And the fact that useless teams in franchise WILL get kicked out due to it being non-beneficial to Riot finance or reputation

Then just take riot other franchise, League of Legends. Overwatch failed cause of how their franchising work, in that it was city base with home and away games. People failed to realise overwatch franchise is completely and absurdly different, there was no tier 2 scene in overwatch aswell. U say orgs will invest in CS, but it's been 10+ years and the only org I see in CSGO is EU and SA orgs. NA has already fallen and Asia never even rose in the first place except Tyloo

Franchise has negatives yes, but one of the most successful eSports in the world and have been growing year by year is not just riot own game, it's been franchise For YEARS

You couldn't though? I followed CSGO since 5 years ago and the only notable team that have came from Asia was Taloo, which was tier 2 at best. ESL and BLAST offerings are still only really within Europe as although it is offered outside, look at how many teams actually came out of that, how many regions actually is able to compete? The only notable one throughout the life of CS was Brazil, NA has basically fallen and Asia never rose, and it's not like Asia has no CS players, there's plenty in my country alone. But none of my friends or online met players have ever wanted to go pro because there was just no chance or opportunity given that was even viable

On a side note my for franchising argument is another reply to yours, I am truly sorry for seperating my points and post like this.

During mid season the poaching of T2 players are next to impossible ( unless from previous years ) due to the fact that teams need synergy and time to build upon, orgs knows that. They won't suddenly all drop their roster and look for new players. Plus the ascension league would be going on during the mid season iirc, meaning that t1 team can't poach until pre season

If FPX drops the team, more than likely they may not stay as 5, FPX wants to stay as a Chinese org but is looking to EU at the moment to have a foot in the door first. Now optic have gotten shafted and I myself was not happy with it, but to base all my hate on franchise on these few negative points and completely ignored the others is... Biased to say the least. I am not licking riot dick or boot, I am offering my own argument and hope to have a civilized one, which is what you personally hope for, yet i get accused of being someone who can't think?

They have pushed for their own agenda, but also listen to community feedback. Franchising is a good thing as it offers stability like League of Legends, while NA LCS have failed due to milking orgs like Golden Guardian, riot have implemented ways to prevent that by ascension, changing of franchised orgs every few years, and most importantly the backlash a team would get now that they are in especially teams like NRG or EG where people already be looking with spiteful eyes.

Franchising gives stability in the sense that orgs do not have to worry about the instability of competition like in CS where unless your from EU it's basically impossible to climb, leading to a lack of teams. And for players they don't have to worry about being suddenly kick from their team or not receiving their pay due to riot already setting rules to that and has revealed the roster moves allocation and rules in a post I made earlier.

I have offered my counterargument to franchising being bad for many times in different threads that I'm too tired to offered new ones, but I will make counter arguments to existing one like this.

In regard to poaching, riot has already revealed their poaching or talent poaching rules. Teams are only allowed to change their roster in two different timezones, pre season which is after champion, and mid season which is between the two leagues.

And fpx was gonna disband their team anyways, they were looking for a spot in Asia, not Europe. While Optic reasoning for why they were rejected is unknown, riot is not dumb enough to not let them in unless there's smth we don't know about. I'm not riding riot dick on this point, on a business standpoint and riot greedy ass standpoint, why would they tick off so many fans and potential sponsors by taking off one of the most famous teams in Val NA? They literally rejected Japan most famous team due to them having legsl paperwork problem.

Ye 1 team per region , not in an entire year, and in the future it will be bumped to 2 teams while every few years the 10 franchised team will change to weed out weaker/ milking team. A billion other orgs? If a game has that many orgs at tier 1 the game is doomed to failed cuz business wise riot must be spending near billions on just eSports.

But riot did create extra slots for promotion? The ascension league is literally announced with the entire franchise league themselves, T2 Val scene won't die that easily under riot hands

Honestly I understand you, I was surprised myself optic got shafted, though I understand g2 and fpx not getting in

We don't know what happened behind the scenes, it could easily be optic mistake that cost them the spot like look at Crazy Racoons, arguably the most famous Japanese org was rejected due to paperwork problems.

Also another thing but it seems even if given next year optic is in franchising, the team won't stay together as u can already see Victor and crashes leaving while the other trio are staying tgt

They did mentioned that franchise was their route at the start tho? Maybe not the very start but since last year we knew franchising was on the table. Also while I enjoy watching CS I prefer riot way of eSports for the simple sake of actual international competition. Look at C's, there's so little structure for T2 and lower that csgo is basically only a Europe and somewhat Brazil game, it's nearly nonexistent eSports wise everywhere else. Val Franchising made it so that every region there's actual supporters and teams that can compete, look at this year vct with how riot have already controlled the scene, there's team from APAC finishing top 3 every tourney, SA making magic happen through LOUD and LEV, and ofc NA and EU.

Then how u want them to start off with Franchising? Instantly choose team they like and give no new orgs any chance? The players and orgs both know that valorant was franchise, and riot can't just announced how many slots Is allocated for each region since they themselves aren't sure of which org is suitable

League has though? Lck is franchise, lec is also franchise and both are pulling in great views, the only anomaly is NA LCS where u can see riot is trying to avoid by how they approach franchising where instead of buy-in franchise it's a riot choose franchise where riot ofc won't let orgs monopolize the league without actually putting in effort or recruiting the best players that can be offered. And orgs can set high buyout price but by doing so, they lose all brand reputation and recognition which would hurt the org more than you think.

Franchising is a thorny road, it can make an eSports become great or destroy it like the OWL, it all depends on the game developers to control it

While I agree optic getting rejected was definitely surprising and honestly a bit blindsided, there's alot of things going on behind the scenes that we don't know about. Look at CR who could have got in APAC league, but failed due to paperwork problems. For all we know there may be more stuff behind the front that stopped optic from getting the spots beside finance or org problems

There's no competition in this few months and na teams were paying insane amount of wages, rather than fully disband, it's like they discontinued their Val rosters until next year rolls around. Most of the team that didn't get into franchise and releasing their players are letting players have the chance to seek out t1 competition and those that didn't make it will settle for T2

That's just for the first few years,where 2 teams will ascend every year and while I don't know if riot will expand the league to cover more regions seperately, and xset most likely won't stay together. There's already too many t1 supposedly team in the first place.

First off while u can compare franchising to other eSports version of it, riot way of doing it has already deviated since the start. It's not a buy-in franchise, it's a Riot-controlled franchise. If a team dares to milk the system and underperform u can bet riot would immediately take them out of the league, as they have mentioned they will change orgs in the league's every few years.

2nd off alot of ppl complain ABT this killing t2 but i don't see how that's the case? Riot is setting up VRL for basically everything and with an promotion system in place, yes a few top teams got shafted like optic and g2 ( tho this is obvious for reasons ).

The 30 teams that start it off are just that, starting teams, and underdogs stories can still form, but it won't be flops like tgrd since they will need consistency to perform for more than a year. Give it time, shit just got announced and people seem to forget alot of the safety nets that riot has put in place.

Side note people talking about low viewership for T2... Look at VRL or if u want even better example LOL Europe T2 leagues, they are pulling in crazy views

It it doesn't appeal to the viewers it will be like overwatch, a scene with so much money put into it but no viewers. Contrary to most ppl beliefs, Asians have big national pride and with that come really great support for local orgs, if the only way JP players can play is through kr orgs, alot of that support will die down

I know and I seen alot of leakers saying / hinting how PRX aren't gonna make it to franchise, but riot recent decision such as the mural, letting Benkai do his shenanigans, and ofc the most recent in the vct 2023 teaser where PRX was showed quite a number of times is giving me hope that maybe, just maybe in the slightest of chance PRX is making it to franchise. Very slight hope though.

It seems like there's alot more to riot criteria then we initially thought since if a org as big as Xerxia in both influence and finance isn't getting into franchising atleast from what it seems, then many predictions we have made might have to be thrown out the window

From what I seen on images in Google when I search it, quite similar to zeta last time space, maybe smaller abit but I can't say for sure

Yes, registration is open for people that are in singapore / want to go to watch

Jing is on military service at 2024 while Benkai mentioned retiring after this year, however with the success PRX have there's a chance Benkai might hang on for a year or so. While I like the players, I have grown fond of the organisation itself aswell due to the owners and alecks closeness with the team, so I do hope they can get that spot

On July 24, PRX would have a live watchparty equivalent to zeta last master at SCAPE. This was possible due to riot help, which imo shows that in some part riot is willing to help PRX.

Maybe PRX is in quite the running for franchising more so than we thought? Cuz I can't think of riot helping them if they gonna kick them out of their franchise anyways.

If u were to exchange that money to ringgit Malaysia, u can get a pretty decent 3050 build over here, nothing truly amazing but still good enough for most games, even triple As albeit only if u can withstand 30-50 fps iirc

From what I heard roughly 10k - 30k?? Monthly. Though u gotta take into account the cost of living and the orgs that are paying them are those that have been in eSports for years, compare to most orgs that are in Asia which have only been active for a few years at most.

From what I heard prx players are paid around 3k USD monthly, which while it doesn't sound like much compare to any western teams, for people living in Indonesia or Malaysia it is quite alot as the normal average pay in Malaysia is 3k rm monthly, or roughly 700 USD monthly.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Indonesia should be fairly similar. Both countries cost of living is very low if u were to convert to USD, so a salary of 3k USD + price winnings ( esp PRX achievements ) is quite alot for the country they are in excluding probably Singapore.

Albeit if they were to go overseas or got picked up by rich orgs then they most definitely would get paid alot more.

Ah alright then, well that's a bit sad for me cause I personally prefer PRX over Bleed due to fanbase and just staff support and closeness

I see, I mostly based my opinion on this, https://blix.gg/news/details-on-the-valorant-partnership-program-in-2023

Which was something BoDork talked about

While yes bleed have garnered alot of investment, it was from a singular sponsor, and even then they haven't produced any results with the money and fanbase aren't exactly big. I could counter it with the fact that despite having so much investments, there wasn't really any reputable results except them having alot of money.

Ok fair enough but I never heard of delayed or late payment scandals from PRX? And from what I seen the players and the team staff and boss are all very close, so it seems even less likely for them to actually have any of those financial difficulty considering they also have a decent amount of sponsors, albeit not big.

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Ye but riot valorant franchising approach is absolutely different though, in league it's mostly teams buying into the slots, or relegations and promotions.

Valorant is riot themselves finding teams and giving them financial support from a leak at blix.gg that BoDork reference

As below your post, I'm pretty sure riot ain't looking at financial situations since they themselves are giving money to teams, to look for teams with alot of money despite that seems very counter-intuitive since this is a completely different franchising model from any past one with riot finding teams and GIVING them money rather that teams buying it. If it was the 2nd one then ye PRX does not have enough money for it

I would say PRX have a higher chance than bleed cuz riot aren't really looking for who have the most money Cause they themselves are already providing the money, plus BoDork leaks suggests that Riot are looking at fanbase and support teams have, which PRX is Def miles better than Bleed in that aspect.

I seen people put bleed over PRX due to their financial difference but with riot themselves giving money to teams, it's counter- intuitive to find teams with money over team with fame tbh.