I think Turtle Troop are about as good as DFM or GE and I wouldn't call this getting stomped, but yes they are obv worse

https://www.vlr.gg/281432/turtle-troop-vs-version1-knights-monthly-gauntlet-2023-october-sf

SR probably loses but it could be close GE, DFM, and Talon pretty trash

I think aspas is still #1 since although leaf is more flexible, in this meta at least, jett can be played pretty much anywhere so it doesn't really matter. Its similar to yay being the best player in 2022, since although he was inflexible Optic could always make his chamber work.

tbh only reason they look close is since aspas the goat in jett meta, old loud players are better though