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if japan wants to be better they can import coachs

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#1
seankukuz

yes there's a language barrier but if the coach is willing to learn some japanese, he would get paid a lot so I see it happening? or am i clueless

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cyk
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they already imported Korean coach

#3
seankukuz
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yes but koreans are statisically smarter and study harder and they dont get paid at all in korea so it's a great investment to learn japanese for korean coaches

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makoidk
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you know japanese takes a while to learn right

#5
seankukuz
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Any language is hard to learn but if you are able to put yourself in an environment where everyone speaks the language you are trying to learn, that helps significantly. It took my friend 1 year to properly understand what people say and communicate due to him studying very hard and talking to tons of japanese friends

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Pugaller
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former TNL head coach bail joined NTH and got them to playoffs. Also theres already korean coach in CR too. so i dont think its about coaches

#7
sWan10_exe
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honestly i feel that they should merge JP and KR if JP needs to get better

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Fracture
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The problem with the JP region isn't due to the coaches. It's the level of competitive exposure the region gets. For example, rumor is that Zeta Division have been blacklisted from scrims by most if not all the teams currently at Reykjavik but this is the only time any team from the JP region gets to play against the top internationally (where the skill ceiling is much higher). This means that they get 2-3 games to go through before they are sent back to their region where the level of competition is significantly lower. And its hard to say if those 2-3 games they DO play are even worth VOD reviews considering how one sided they are.

JP region suffers from a lack of consistent international playbecause their current level of play is significantly lower than the rest of their peers. The only two solutions would be to bootcamp and go through some of the lower tier teams like TSM/ Faze to get really good experience or to merge KR and JP into one region but the lack of funds significantly dampens the chances of this happening.

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Tokyo777
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Sorry blacklisted means?

#11
DDenied
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teams refuse to scrim against that team

#12
Tokyo777
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Why?? Cz they are weak?

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Fracture
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Yes. Higher tier teams don't want to waste their time on a team they can easily beat without even using their entire playback.

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ABitDeluded
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I mean, they've been scrimming with KR/SEA teams, in which the level is pretty high.

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Fracture
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It's not enough. KR/SEA teams have much higher levels of competition within their respective regions and they are exposed to much more international play than the likes of the JP region representatives.

I wont deny that JP seemingly needs a stronger coaching structure but we barely know what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to JP coaches which is why I'm thinking broader using information we have.

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heiskaneN
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I'd say the lack of good coaches in JP is definitely a problem, but it isn't the sole reason why they aren't good. I definitely agree with what you said about their level of competitive exposure. But from what I've seen, JP teams make a lot of fundamental mistakes. Just using spacing as an example, they often are positioned too far apart to effectively trade off each other, taking a lot of unfavorable 1v1 aim duels, so they throw a lot of rounds despite man advantages. Or they'll play way too passive and not take map control to gather/deny info or bait utility. They'd show a lot of improvement if they got good coaches to fix a lot of these fundamental mistakes and provide structure for these teams

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Just to make it clear, I don't disagree that they could benefit from better coaching systems being put in place. I 100% agree that this would be a beneficial change to a lot of the JP teams but I just think the issues extend beyond just the coaches is all. I realise my initial post could've been worded better and should've instead said that "the issues in JP extend beyond the coaches" so my bad for that.

I also agree with what you're saying about the fundamentals not being there and to me it does seem like a lot of the JP teams are lacking quite heavily in their basics and rely heavily on just the pure aim game which I don't know whether to blame the players or the coach assuming the coach has picked up on these issues and is properly trying to drill the practice into them which seems unlikely if the issues are this persistent.

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WhitBR
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Man, that's sad. I didn't know that.

So their only option is to get better before these international events, otherwise they will not scrim.
But if they are blacklisted, where they go to bootcamp?

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If they bootcamp they would have to scrim the Tier 2 teams in whatever region as they are just not up to the level of the rest of these international teams. I'm thinking if they want to be cost effective then they bootcamp Korea or SEA but if you want the most success then you need to bootcamp in either EMEA or NA I would think and just grind for a few months.

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Tanish000
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just get an international coach along with translator i guesss that works?

#14
a_ll_a
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I think it is best to integrate kr and jp because kr does not have big viewership, and by integrating with jp, the problem can be solved and it is mutually beneficial.* i cant speak English well

#18
NN
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What's going to stop Japan from dropping all Japanese rosters and forming 5 Koreans instead? It isn't mutually beneficial the Koreans will devour Japan and interest in the scene in Japan will slowly decline.

#22
archetype
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Iirc this already happened in Apex Legends.

#15
DrudaL
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Just merge jp and kr. Then do a lot tournament

#21
Fracture
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.

#24
USCK
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Agreed last year when SMB got a respected European coach they became top 5 EMEA after he left SMB turned into a tier 2 Tr team that does the same strats from before he left (also 3 of the core team left but the team was already in decline)

#26
Sonny
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ideally, riot should try and set up consistent games between japan and the rest of apac. not sure exactly how it can be done and i dont think its as simple as just merging them with korea/apac but it would help alot. boot camps and better coaching would also help a ton too

#27
Easy_for_MWZERA
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They just need better players. I think the gaming culture in Japan is never focused on being the best, but just on having fun.

#28
Ulubs
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help us

#29
archetype
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you guys gotta get better ranked players man

#30
Ulubs
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Unlike Korea, there is no better player. Sadly.

#32
archetype
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yo congratulations!!

#33
Ulubs
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TY I’m glad

#34
archetype
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i will be rooting for zeta for the rest of the event!

#31
burritx
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Kawaii onur

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