Okay, I know I slander edg a lot, calling them flukedg and whatnot, but losing 1-13 when ur abt to be eliminated is serious levels of fall off
Most champs teams that get washed are usually due to roster changes like loud/eg, and nrg had one too but still look nice. What happened to edg? They literally still have 4/5 of their main core. No way s1mon can be THAT instrumental
bad meta
they cant find a proper 5th
their coach is bad
nobody's calling has gotten much worse since champs 2024
disagree with bad meta. it's literally "if you can shoot, you win". this should be the best meta--according to mini
not true, on the surface its good BUT
it lacks info, making calls much worse for chinese teams, where their mistakes are more apparant. in higher info meta's chinese teams can better disguise their bad macro with additional info which forces them to make easy calls
yoru, china has 0 good yoru utility, every single player who plays yoru in china just arent good at it, they shoot tell but thats it, their utility, their tp management, their uses of the clone, their flash set ups, their ult usage and management all terrible, their setup of yoru in good positions.
they play yoru because its meta, but they dont know anything about what makes yoru good.
Chinese teams do love running into the enemy team but EDG not only dont play double duelist, they also havent played super aggressively since champs 2024 and before that it was back in lock//in 2023
genuine question, but how hard is it for teams to just look at other teams and copy how they play yoru
I dont know. Im not a tier 1 coach, and they surely know more than me.
but like I play in tier 2 and I just copy tier 1 strats, to somewhat decent effect
I dont understand why these chinese teams dont just copy how to play Yoru, like you dont have to copy everything. but like surely sitting with setting him up as an insert then leaving cant be that hard
his point wasn't that mechanics/aim > all
his point was that having gameplans that prioritize enabling advantageous gunfights take precedence over any deep macro. his point was that it's an EASIER meta for Chinese teams to hypothetically close the gap in by building on their map pool that way. this is something that we can clearly see EDG DIDN'T do due to their protocols being dry at best and terrible at worst
They are bad just one fluke trophy they will never make it to playoffs ever unless they are first seed in their bronze region
champs 2024 edg peaked in both form and organizational structure. they had Muggle, Nobody, and S1mon all in sync strategy-wise. everyone was doing their jobs properly and they had their map pool figured out to a tee. not to mention during champs they also had Haodong helping + After's gameplans that muggle used as blueprints. S1mon leaving only kickstarted the issues, and Muggle leaving didn't help despite his decisions not being the best. they just look lost rn
Kangkang is not bad
Chichoo is worse but stil not bad
nobody and smoggy arent great
Smoggy on bind was playing clueless af, like bro has never played against yoru wayley comps
kangkang is like the only player decent but many times he looks unaware and he overpeeks a LOT
thats not the coaches fault either thats an individual player at fault
its absolutely a coaching issue. kangkang is overpeeking majority of the time due to bad protcools, there are times when he is just egoing but the protcools set up are so bad, that it literally feels right to peek in this situations
bro if you're a smart player, an individually smart player then you know when to peek properly and how to not overdo it. this is like ranked tips for beginners and what you see on how to get better at valorant tutorials. how is that the coaches fault
bad protcools enforce the idea of overpeeking to get an advantage
kk does ego peek a lot dont get me wrong, but he will overpeek even more since the protcools are bad
overpeeking isnt a protocols thing tho? its the nature of an individual player. its a valorant fundamental that these players havent nailed whatsoever.
yes? have u? i ask my players to stop overpeeking but as they are not as good/intelligent players they continue to do it. telling your players to peek or to not peek is just micromanaging. they're supposed to already know the basics of it. telling the players "the play" as the coach, doesnt involve telling players when to peek or when to not peek. clearly youve never coached or coordinated plays.
this would apply even more to vct players cause theyre PRO
Yes, I do. I IGL a team and we are top 20 in OCE.
You are right in the sense a coach doesnt tell when players are meant to peek, but thats not my point.
If you lack info, lack space, or put into a bad postion, the natural reaction is to peek.
why is this the case? because its the only way to win, you have to over rely on your mechanics to win out bad positions or use your body to clear information due to lack of it.
this is overly apparant with the lack of info meta, so people are doing it more often.
China as region as a whole overpeeks (XLG dont really do it until the late rounds) now how does that make sense? its because they are putting themselves in worse positions more times than other teams and are forcing themselves to clear with bodies instead of utility.
again, yes kangkang as a player overall does ego peek more than the average player, but the poor macro of EDG is definitely not helping
like literally put these players on their own roster and they would do fine
Dont blame the player.
Its Uchiha Autumn clearly the man
Perfectly doing his job giving free ticket to T1
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Nobody from a util stand point on bind and haven was questionable… the haven drone is memorable but he was Skye flashing b long for info when t1 defaulted b long most rounds and off barrier as well… there’s a round he used dog and both flashes in 40s and they had nothing left for the rest of the round, the team flashes as well as the lack of an idea of what to call… also the 5v3 they lost after the timeout why is he still calling for them push out of hookah
Also edg need to get an op into KK’s hand asap… they should be doing the 100t save Strat cuz without an op their setups or what they do on defence makes no sense… headless chickens trying to make individualistic plays
From what I see smoggy and nobody are washed, and they kept signing random player to replace s1mon
Legit only kk and chichoo the only remaining firepower on this team, not to mention they signed fraudtumn who only relies on firepower and vibe to run the team
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