if you dont hit immortal or radiant by the 3 first acts of playing, you will never even have a chance of going pro and even if you do reach immortal or radiant after 3 first acts of playing you will always be a very mediocre player in the high ranks
so basically u have to be gifted yep
That's true. You either have it or you don't. You can get better in time but you will never really compete with those who have it in them. Gifted > Ambition
Virtyy plays 1000 hours per act and he's benched
Keiko barely touches the game outside scrims and look at him (he's more worried about not getting raided in rust)
Alym didnt hit immortal for 6 episodes of playing the game btw. Mute up please
2 almost 100 hour acts just go from diamond 3 to asc 3. You are right hes just naturally gifted LMFAO
alright then if you count 100 hours playtime on a game to be a lot
you stating this one instance doesnt refute what i said
its safe to say what i said because its true for 99.9% of players
99.9% of players will not go pro. I gave you just one of the examples and there are others. Being gifted does not just mean you can wake up and just shoot it can also mean gifted in the aspect of learning quickly or the aspect of leading and neither of those are going to show you ranked results for just logging in but will make you a much better pro player especially over time. If you want to make a statistical anomaly into being born lucky as well to cope than you got that twin
its not a statistical anomaly. as this guy said, ur argument is a no true scotsman fallacy. my statement is STATISTICALLY true and stands as a general statement
"coping"
its a statistic bud
the 99.9% of people is referring to pro players btw
who, me? ive literally never done that
what i DO do is ask for advice seeking to improve
Canezerra has like 1000 hours in fortnite. Most pros may not have a shit ton of hours in valorant, but they can come from other games too. No one picks up a mouse and is naturally gifted. Some people can excel at faster paces, but almost every single pro to touch the game has put an absurd amount of hours into the games they play.
Some people also improve faster than others, that's more from a meta-learning standpoint. Focusing into improving will obviously make you improve faster than just brute-forcing it.
Tbh, it's a mindset I had a lot because I would get diffed in comp and I'd think that they were just naturally better than me. They may not have the same hours but they improve because they put effort into improving. I've recently started to actually force myself to aim-train and it doesn't have instant results, but I can feel my aim being more controllable.
It's a long process, happens in any sport too lol. I think Jordan had a big quote on it too, where he said something about how people thought he was just gifted with basketball, but no one ever saw the thousands of hours spent grinding.
this conversation made me realize that i only have 26 hours in comp combined from 4 acts. maybe i just have to give it some more time and effort.
Don't get convinced that easily. Just because you have 1000 hours experience in CSGO doesn't mean you will magically radiant in 20 hours of playing time and vice versa.
It's different mechanics and gameplay.
i understand that VERY few players are subtle exceptions like alym, but that just means that if you strive as hard as he did, its still very much possible to go professional
you just have to be in that top 0.1% who ultimately do put in the amount of effort people like he has
Alym first 3 act combined = 16 hours. thats basically less than one day of playing.
He got serious the next 3 and he hit radiant. this still confirm your statement
Obviously not. The point I was making was that no one just magically has the talent to become perfect. Talent is something that comes from working hard. The 1000 hours of experience in CSGO was to say that even these pros had to have put in time and effort to get to where they are now -- obviously, in Valorant, hitting radiant is different, but they still had the accumulation of hundreds of hours of improving their aim and their movement. Learning the game is its own aspect too, but the "aim" that most people associate with talent is less so innate talent than it is hard work.
And yes, some people have the slight edge in aiming. I will say there are talented aimers, but more or less, that difference only appears near the top of the top, and to get to even the top requires hundreds of hours on its own, too.
yeah ignore the thousands of hours pros grind and sum it all up to getting lucky.
really good way to undermine everything they did to get where they were
also saying its genetics or luck to have the skill in a game to be good, is very much cope
LEGIT noone said its genetics or luck
this is a stat, nothing is from my own input
im just presenting the information found
you saying the only way someone can become a pro is if they are just gifted is summing it all up to being lucky in that you are born with the "gift"
some people do learn faster than others, some have better fast twitch muscles, but that does not mean you automatically just tap heads without any work put in.
the statistics of people going pro are so slim because some people dont play to improve, some play for fun, and others just dont know how to improve. Also, pros are usually people that have been gaming their entire lives, hence why they are so much better at picking up new games than others.
you will never even have a chance of going pro
Most people don't wanna go pro, they just wanna have some entertainment moment by playing valorant after school/college/work
correlation doesnt mean causation
just because A is true "most pros hit immortal or radiant by the 3 first acts of playing"
doesnt mean B is true "if you dont hit immortal or radiant by the 3 first acts of playing, you will never even have a chance of going pro"
the fact of the matter is you cannot compare the playtime of people who have put hours in multiple games to someone who has yet to touch a PC. Put in the time and dedication to genuinely improve and you most likely will. its just a majority of people dont put in that time because they either dont have the drive to go pro, or they dont want to at all
its safe to say that you will never have a chance of going pro if you dont hit immortal or radiant by the 3 first acts of playing BECAUSE of how heavily the statistics favor it. what do you not understand about that?
I don't think fps games are competitive enough for this to matter tbh
in chess this is true tho, if u haven't picked up the game before age 12 you have 0 chance of becoming a GM no matter how hard u try, and even if u start before that it's not guaranteed, maybe it's the same in league
yeah thats the same stuff carried onto valorant, as can clearly be seen statistically
the people saying this is not true are just stubborn fools who cant comprehend facts
just like how ZekeNotGio said about alym, there probably are VERY few chess players who started after 12 and are still GM, but me saying that this refutes your claim would only be a fallacy.
I mean... a statistic about a population doesn’t prove an impossibility for an individual. The way you’re using that idea reads less like discussing a trend or trying to be logical about something and more like discouraging people from trying. Reading between lines (I might be wrong tho) the way you’re phrasing the rest makes it sound like you’ve already made up your mind, so it feels pointless to argue unless you’re open to evidence either way.
well obviously im looking to be disproved
it doesn't prove an IMPOSSIBILITY like its not absolutely not possible to do, but like i said, its an incredibly safe statement to make because of how heavily the statistics favor it.
I mean, yeah statistics are on your side, and it would be hard (and kind of pointless) to argue against what’s most likely to happen
It’s just that VLR is also a place where a lot of younger people lurk, and sometimes even look for advice. I know it’s the internet and “if you can’t take it, don’t be here,” but younger minds can take things to heart really easily and get discouraged reading stuff like this
That’s basically what’s behind the ranked mentality, people assume the common denominator is just “you’re not trying hard enough or you're just not good enough” A lot of people aren’t trying, that's for sure but plenty are, and that mindset has still poisoned ranked. RIOT has kind of let that attitude thrive in the game’s culture because they don't really care lol
I think it comes down to ambition. It’s not only how gifted you are, but how much you want it and even then, you still might not achieve it. Life has too many layers for us to reduce “going pro” to one rigid rule, or treat it like it’s just a stroke of luck or being "gifted" enough.
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