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left to right kind of for the higher tiers but tbh the order is biased, i think the tiers are not
can't blame anyone for not knowing most of the CN teams, because there are only few sources that cover VCT CN and up-and-coming Chinese players
yea definetly, plus the games are all in chinese (although we might be getting an English co-casting soon 🤞) and the timezones suck for non china viewers. I personally think I watched more china games in 2024 than apac and I still think I know more about apac than China ðŸ˜
TL is all about the potential that people dont see
Makes more sense to defend them once the season starts and we see the pieces of the puzzle move
kanyefan why did you say sen is not S tier? may I know the reasoning, they were top 4 last year and this year's team is a upgrade? so idk the reasoning, also why should NRG be s tier based on 1 offseason tournament which could easily have been honey moon, let's atleast wait till soop no? or are you just biased?
Sen is trash whereas nrg is goated
That’s like all the reason I can think of
yeah biased mf, NRG had one good tournament in the offseason which is basically all they do and an upgraded masters winning team is worse than them, polish bias goes crazy huh
It really does
I look at the VCT, which I've watched for years, and I say this now with NRG mada..
Hey Derke, we are good, bro. You can go.. dont have to, you can hang around, still great, but you can go, we're all good here.
I'd never bought into it with n4rrate, despite what he did last night i've never bought into it with yay. zekken doesnt drive me to a stream at that level, certainly didnt when he first got to vct..
but when i watch mada play, and again i dont know if nrg are special, but when i watch mada play, it is just a gut feeling, that is something above aspas and Chronicle.
It is truly remarkable. i felt this way when i saw zeek break in, i felt this way when i saw Leo break in, i didnt even feel it for Alfajer, i didnt even feel it for Less, i just knew he was dominant. not even for cNed, or nAts. but about 4 or 5 guys, aspas was one of them, chronicle was one of them, Derke was one of them, i feel that strongly with mada.
i wake up in the morning and ask, "when does he play?"
He is good
Vct champion
Amazing agent pool
Experience igling
Joined an irrelevant tier 2 team and took them to ascension
2/2 east winner in 2024 (tough league trust me)
Good aim
Vct champion mvp
MVP
Champion
1.3 k/d in ranked
You can’t find many players with his proficiency + experience. If it wasn’t for his reputation every team in the world would want him
Wdym based off 1 season tournament? You're supposed rank based off what we've seen. And if 1 off season tournament where they crushed the fellas in the finals, with every player looking pretty good throughout the whole thing (including fns) then i'd say that's enough to say they look pretty dangerous. Are we making tier lists for this year or last 😂?
yes we saw that nrg has consistently failed to give results and while they are good now with a new roster you cannot say they are better than anyone until you see that in the regular season, or atleast wait till soop, sen was a masters winning team with and theoretical upgrade, they should be S tier regardless until if they suck in the regular season
remember everyone is trying to get different things done in the offseason, teams like t1 and nrg are trying to win and get their much needed confidence, geng is regrouping and trying create a new identity, sen is changing roles, drx are changing team dynamics and igls and trying roles, fnatic is wasting their potential and time by playing with other players instead of their roster, eg was trying to gauge their level (said by potter), g2 is transitioning from a slow team to a team which can switch up their pace quickly, you can see they are in the site at 1:20, so it's not a very good sample size to judge, atleast not one tournament, wait till soop I would say.
um ok bro. if we wanna judge based off of the off-season, then we can and will 😠it's just for fun... no one's going to die cause of this
yeah i mean that's fair, but it's not correct in anyway, if I had to judge prx based on the offseason, I would say they're not even in top 6 pacific, lost to geng lost to drx will lose to t1,dfm, zeta, spg but historical results say otherwise, you do you though
i mean geng isn't top1 anymore, prx won against rrq, not counting edg since they aren't prepared, the game against geng was full of throws, prx lose to drx and t1,spg for sure.
how the fuck are we putting g2 and heretics at S
they lost to cloud9 lmao
also why is spg at A ???
Bili is B tier
spg are going to be top3 pacific, they will own everyone.
persia ivy francis too good
oh so we just guessing now
in what way are they at the level of t1 drx and geng
who do you think is better than them? talon a is diabolical they will be top6 in pacific at most, let's see at soop though
trace is unironically a tier, they are the 2nd best team in china, also 5-6 chinese teams are pretty good I would say on the level of emea teams for sure (not even joking wolves,blg, trace, edg,fpx are really good)
ah well i dont follow china much so if thats the case then thats cool to know
i mean you guys are na watchers only, im buying their stocks early, let's see prx sucks rrq ehh geng is on a downfall, meteor best player, talon sucks ass, who else? you'll see, francis will be probably be the best igl in pacific this year, yes better than munchkin or atleast equally good, persia top 3 smokes after mako karon
I have seen few of their games. I am afraid they are Neon merchant team. When Neon gets nerfed, Dambi's stocks will drop
they were good without the neon meta too, sure dambi is insane on neon but he isn't even top 3 on his team, let's see though i think korea dominates this year as always
plat chat are truly plats, overrating prx who are not even top4 pacific and underrating drx which MARK MY WORDS will be the best pacific team, also geng should be A considering meteor was their best player (real and true check shangai stats, every single round the guy has impact, texture is close but meteor clears)
not your tierlist, platchat put them b and below 100t fut talon and lev, and also put prx above drx IM CRYINGGGGGG LMFAO
i mean yes but this year it's different t1 is actually good and I'm spg biased so, maybe prx is top4 though, i don't like jingg i think he's holding them back but anyway t1 drx and geng are better
True, but how Plat Chat thinks is very understandable because they try to take past results into consideration.
Vitality has no experienced igl so i'm scared for them
Sentinels got dogwalked by nrg and still somehow right behind them
KC should probably be higher, despite perfomances
Idk why spg is that high, heard they werent going to be that crazy from other people (despite peformances in t2)
Mibr roster looking kind of crazy even though we havent seen them yet, they should be higher than 100t me thinks
Also you're underrating ge
offseason buddy, sen were trying shit like how are we saying NRG is good and sen is bad based on one offseason tournament, atleast wait for soop, sen were top4 last year and the roster is an upgrade, now it's all theory, but NRG is know for creating good roster and losing everything, like if you're biased say so
Can't agree with the position of chinese teams here. We need a team from each region in F (expected to end at 12th position in regular season). For me, Furia, Boom (not GE because this new team is looking good even when their dualist has not reached the bootcamp), titan and m8 are the only team which belong in F.
Heretics should be in tier D. These frauds fluked their way to grand finals they didn’t deserve, only to lose them. They were never the better team, just a fluke. They should all retire for the sake of Valorant.
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