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THE PROBLEM WITH SEN AND NA

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bottomfragger30

NA quite literally is the Turkey region, firepower is abundant but there is no focus on the strategical side. SEN are the poster child of this problem along with TSM and 100T. Let me explain my thoughts in 2 simple points.

  1. THE DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT
    Just because you out-frag your whole competitive Elo does not mean you will play against five who have the same mechanical caliber similar to you but have the strats and players who peek off of each other rather than just sit by and wait while anticipating their entry to get an ace. For example with SEN no one peeks off of SICK AND TENZ. Why are you not peeking when they have created space? Whereas for example with OPTIC Yay peeks off of victor when he is Chamber and victor peeks off of Yay when is jett and victor is flex, same with C9 TGRD and V1. With Eu teams, you never fight one person alone the trades are lightningfast example GAMBIT ACEND FPX FNC. Trades should be there, if you are not trading off of your teammates why are you playing in pro play? ARE YOU THAT BAD OR JUST THAT DELUSIONAL THAT YOU CAN WIN EVERY CLUTCH WITH YOUR GOD LIKE AIM AND GET A CLIP.
    Coming back to NA as a whole we just think we are the best, the ego not only of the player but the supporters is so huge it is honestly embarrassing. We only have one lan trophy that too when VALORANT as pro play was in it's genesis but now the regions have caught up ability usage, aim, strats have gradually expanded while we are still in the world of clip farmers and think we will one day win champions
    there can be mistakes grammatically please ignore

  2. THE OPERATOR JETT DEPENDENCY AND LACK OF GOOD SUPPORT PLAYERS
    I am not an OP hater neither I hate jett for that disgusting dash, but really that one dash gives only one person on your team a get out of jail free ticket, when he saves his life your team has to step up. As maps like bind and split are becoming more popular you have to expand your teams agent pool. Also what about the support and flex agents, have we forgot this game has 4 classes and 5 players. Teams like fnc, gambit, fpx, liquid and all EMEA teams have god tier support agent, lurkers, clutch players and flex players. NATS, CHRONICLE, NUKKEYE, AVOVA, BRAVEAF, MISTIC, PAURA, ZEEK, BONECOLD, LINK, NIVERA just to name a few. They out frag their duelist and are they main focus of their region while we just sit for our jett to get that operator clip.
    Regarding sen they have no protocol for jett entry. ZOMBS is totally not coordinated with the entry fraggers of his team no flex to support. YOU HAVE TO ENTRY INTO THE SITE TO GET THE WIN ON ATTACK HALVES. This pressures TENZ and other operator jetts to pick up the op and try to force their way onto a site and the other teams are prepared for that. THE JETT OP IS GODD BUT IT WON'T CARRY YOUR TEAM TO FINALS OF CHAMPIONS.

I am not a SEN fanboy nor do i hate or love any NA team blindly for a single bad tourney but i do want to some good games, like the games they play in EMEA. The pick'ems this time were heartbreaking for both EMEA AND NA but for completely different reasons. EMEA HAD TOO MANY OPTIONS MAKING ME QUESTION WILL MY FAV TEAMS MAKE IT OUT, BUT FOR NA IT WAS AS SCREAM SAID "PREDICATABLE". ALSO I DO NOT WANT TO CONDONE ANY HATE TOWARD ANY PRO PLAYER. There might be more problems with NA please fell free to share what you think
Open to any comment or discussion on this matter

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Chovymaker
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NA>Turkey ?

#3
bottomfragger30
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Chovymaker [#2]

NA>Turkey ?

ya if we talk about c9 tgrd and V1

#4
feelsbadboaster
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didnt read+sentinels clears your lineage

#5
sheahhhh
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The truth is NA makes more than any region from streaming so they don't have the initiative to win that other regions have

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bottomfragger30
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feelsbadboaster [#4]

didnt read+sentinels clears your lineage

K

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bottomfragger30
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sheahhhh [#5]

The truth is NA makes more than any region from streaming so they don't have the initiative to win that other regions have

that can also be a factor ig

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I feel like a major issue is most NA teams are awful at map control and retaking space. Teams will take an area of the map without having an out if a push fails so when they go to back out they either have to check everything or just rush to the other site and lose on time.

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Supr3meGucci
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?
SEN got outaimed yesterday

#10
bottomfragger30
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RealRoninX [#8]

I feel like a major issue is most NA teams are awful at map control and retaking space. Teams will take an area of the map without having an out if a push fails so when they go to back out they either have to check everything or just rush to the other site and lose on time.

yup we don't have lurkers and people don't have backs ups...

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bottomfragger30
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Supr3meGucci [#9]

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SEN got outaimed yesterday

i mean when you lose you are always getting out-aimed but that is not the problem. At leas imo

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BananaBread
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THE PROBLEM WITH SEN AND NA
posted in General Discussion
NA quite literally is the Turkey region, firepower is abundant but there is no focus on the strategical side. SEN are the poster child of this problem along with TSM and 100T. Let me explain my thoughts in 2 simple points.

THE DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT
Just because you out-frag your whole competitive Elo does not mean you will play against five who have the same mechanical caliber similar to you but have the strats and players who peek off of each other rather than just sit by and wait while anticipating their entry to get an ace. For example with SEN no one peeks off of SICK AND TENZ. Why are you not peeking when they have created space? Whereas for example with OPTIC Yay peeks off of victor when he is Chamber and victor peeks off of Yay when is jett and victor is flex, same with C9 TGRD and V1. With Eu teams, you never fight one person alone the trades are lightningfast example GAMBIT ACEND FPX FNC. Trades should be there, if you are not trading off of your teammates why are you playing in pro play? ARE YOU THAT BAD OR JUST THAT DELUSIONAL THAT YOU CAN WIN EVERY CLUTCH WITH YOUR GOD LIKE AIM AND GET A CLIP.
Coming back to NA as a whole we just think we are the best, the ego not only of the player but the supporters is so huge it is honestly embarrassing. We only have one lan trophy that too when VALORANT as pro play was in it's genesis but now the regions have caught up ability usage, aim, strats have gradually expanded while we are still in the world of clip farmers and think we will one day win champions
there can be mistakes grammatically please ignore

THE OPERATOR JETT DEPENDENCY AND LACK OF GOOD SUPPORT PLAYERS
I am not an OP hater neither I hate jett for that disgusting dash, but really that one dash gives only one person on your team a get out of jail free ticket, when he saves his life your team has to step up. As maps like bind and split are becoming more popular you have to expand your teams agent pool. Also what about the support and flex agents, have we forgot this game has 4 classes and 5 players. Teams like fnc, gambit, fpx, liquid and all EMEA teams have god tier support agent, lurkers, clutch players and flex players. NATS, CHRONICLE, NUKKEYE, AVOVA, BRAVEAF, MISTIC, PAURA, ZEEK, BONECOLD, LINK, NIVERA just to name a few. They out frag their duelist and are they main focus of their region while we just sit for our jett to get that operator clip.
Regarding sen they have no protocol for jett entry. ZOMBS is totally not coordinated with the entry fraggers of his team no flex to support. YOU HAVE TO ENTRY INTO THE SITE TO GET THE WIN ON ATTACK HALVES. This pressures TENZ and other operator jetts to pick up the op and try to force their way onto a site and the other teams are prepared for that. THE JETT OP IS GODD BUT IT WON'T CARRY YOUR TEAM TO FINALS OF CHAMPIONS.

I am not a SEN fanboy nor do i hate or love any NA team blindly for a single bad tourney but i do want to some good games, like the games they play in EMEA. The pick'ems this time were heartbreaking for both EMEA AND NA but for completely different reasons. EMEA HAD TOO MANY OPTIONS MAKING ME QUESTION WILL MY FAV TEAMS MAKE IT OUT, BUT FOR NA IT WAS AS SCREAM SAID "PREDICATABLE". ALSO I DO NOT WANT TO CONDONE ANY HATE TOWARD ANY PRO PLAYER. There might be more problems with NA please fell free to share what you think
Open to any comment or discussion on this matter

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bottomfragger30
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BananaBread [#13]

THE PROBLEM WITH SEN AND NA
posted in General Discussion
NA quite literally is the Turkey region, firepower is abundant but there is no focus on the strategical side. SEN are the poster child of this problem along with TSM and 100T. Let me explain my thoughts in 2 simple points.

THE DUNNING KRUGER EFFECT
Just because you out-frag your whole competitive Elo does not mean you will play against five who have the same mechanical caliber similar to you but have the strats and players who peek off of each other rather than just sit by and wait while anticipating their entry to get an ace. For example with SEN no one peeks off of SICK AND TENZ. Why are you not peeking when they have created space? Whereas for example with OPTIC Yay peeks off of victor when he is Chamber and victor peeks off of Yay when is jett and victor is flex, same with C9 TGRD and V1. With Eu teams, you never fight one person alone the trades are lightningfast example GAMBIT ACEND FPX FNC. Trades should be there, if you are not trading off of your teammates why are you playing in pro play? ARE YOU THAT BAD OR JUST THAT DELUSIONAL THAT YOU CAN WIN EVERY CLUTCH WITH YOUR GOD LIKE AIM AND GET A CLIP.
Coming back to NA as a whole we just think we are the best, the ego not only of the player but the supporters is so huge it is honestly embarrassing. We only have one lan trophy that too when VALORANT as pro play was in it's genesis but now the regions have caught up ability usage, aim, strats have gradually expanded while we are still in the world of clip farmers and think we will one day win champions
there can be mistakes grammatically please ignore

THE OPERATOR JETT DEPENDENCY AND LACK OF GOOD SUPPORT PLAYERS
I am not an OP hater neither I hate jett for that disgusting dash, but really that one dash gives only one person on your team a get out of jail free ticket, when he saves his life your team has to step up. As maps like bind and split are becoming more popular you have to expand your teams agent pool. Also what about the support and flex agents, have we forgot this game has 4 classes and 5 players. Teams like fnc, gambit, fpx, liquid and all EMEA teams have god tier support agent, lurkers, clutch players and flex players. NATS, CHRONICLE, NUKKEYE, AVOVA, BRAVEAF, MISTIC, PAURA, ZEEK, BONECOLD, LINK, NIVERA just to name a few. They out frag their duelist and are they main focus of their region while we just sit for our jett to get that operator clip.
Regarding sen they have no protocol for jett entry. ZOMBS is totally not coordinated with the entry fraggers of his team no flex to support. YOU HAVE TO ENTRY INTO THE SITE TO GET THE WIN ON ATTACK HALVES. This pressures TENZ and other operator jetts to pick up the op and try to force their way onto a site and the other teams are prepared for that. THE JETT OP IS GODD BUT IT WON'T CARRY YOUR TEAM TO FINALS OF CHAMPIONS.

I am not a SEN fanboy nor do i hate or love any NA team blindly for a single bad tourney but i do want to some good games, like the games they play in EMEA. The pick'ems this time were heartbreaking for both EMEA AND NA but for completely different reasons. EMEA HAD TOO MANY OPTIONS MAKING ME QUESTION WILL MY FAV TEAMS MAKE IT OUT, BUT FOR NA IT WAS AS SCREAM SAID "PREDICATABLE". ALSO I DO NOT WANT TO CONDONE ANY HATE TOWARD ANY PRO PLAYER. There might be more problems with NA please fell free to share what you think
Open to any comment or discussion on this matter

lol
nice one dude

#15
andrewdamf
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Drop smb on NA and the only teams they are gonna lose to is c9

#16
bottomfragger30
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andrewdamf [#15]

Drop smb on NA and the only teams they are gonna lose to is c9

i do agree zombs in this nerfed astra patch is kinda bad

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fadezis
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Interview with Ange1 before 1st EMEA of 2021

ANGE1: We’re playing a lot, and I mean a lot, of Turkish teams for practice. We preferred to practice against them and not against the European teams we would meet in tournaments. Those teams are playing a much more North American style; more aggressive, more peaks, more duels for the sake of duels. It’s good preparation for the Masters in Iceland when we finally meet NA.

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bottomfragger30
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fadezis [#17]

Interview with Ange1 before 1st EMEA of 2021

ANGE1: We’re playing a lot, and I mean a lot, of Turkish teams for practice. We preferred to practice against them and not against the European teams we would meet in tournaments. Those teams are playing a much more North American style; more aggressive, more peaks, more duels for the sake of duels. It’s good preparation for the Masters in Iceland when we finally meet NA.

yea i mean that is how we play aggressive peeks and prayer bruder

#19
sheahhhh
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andrewdamf [#15]

Drop smb on NA and the only teams they are gonna lose to is c9

Brazil still colonized by eu I see

#20
andrewdamf
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sheahhhh [#19]

Brazil still colonized by eu I see

You gotta be the worst user in this site tbh

#21
Kiklop
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Emea and Na needs to mix up. NA has good players they just need better lead

#22
bottomfragger30
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Kiklop [#21]

Emea and Na needs to mix up. NA has good players they just need better lead

man i dont want the imports(not being a racist) like in lol in val but i see your point

#23
sheahhhh
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andrewdamf [#20]

You gotta be the worst user in this site tbh

thats rich coming from a parasite like you

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