notawaffle [#4]i dont think so, Cloud9 and Version1 have both looked like amazing teams that are on par with the best from asia and south/latin america. Although i will begrudgingly admit that EU valorant is the best at the moment
Actually, I think that V1 and C9 are the teams that can conquer EU teams. They're lacking bit of fundamentals and discipline, but otherwise they're insane and have great teamplay and C9 has also leaf.. :D
DvyY [#5]Actually, I think that V1 and C9 are the teams that can conquer EU teams. They're lacking bit of fundamentals and discipline, but otherwise they're insane and have great teamplay and C9 has also leaf.. :D
#mitchesbitches #1leaf #xetasbetas #xeppaanimebuff #wegotvanity #c9win
PrTsty [#8]Asian teams have not caught up to NA lol
yea in fact they already exceeded NA's level
just look at the last Champs result
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#11]yea in fact they already exceeded NA's level
just look at the last Champs result
ah yes they beat a weakend envy, so much better
gonna be NA domination lol
now without delusion: EMEA due to multiple reasons including the situation going on there, is just not lookin very good.... there is no consistent top team and their performance looks worse than top NA teams like v1 and c9(other teams too soon to tell but potentially the guard and optic- if they regain control in this new meta)
As a EU fanboy who watched all NA matches, v1, c9 and the guard are the clear best 3 teams in NA, they are on a different level to the rest of the teams in understanding of the meta, teamplay, strategic point of view, none of them have a player that is not as strong individually which is something not all NA teams have compared to EU and simply style, but the thing is that in emea every1 is good strategically, even regional leagues teams so basically those 3 are just outclassing the other teams who have a shit ton of mistakes, play poor strategically, nothing creative tactically, shit reads on the meta forcing chamber too much, shit teamplay, shit utility usage... we already saw in champions best NA team c9 looked outclassed strategically by fnatic/liquid and commited way more mistakes than they should and would get destroyed in mid rounds by european teams, most of the times in champions in EU vs NA matches the NA teams were the ones to get the opening kill most of the times but then lost 4v5 to intelligent midrounding and simply not being able to respond to teams who are used to playing agaisnt really strategic teams, they simply just manipulated their rotations like they were children and truly outclassing them. So we will see if c9, v1 and the guard (I consider those the only 3 realistic teams to even have a chance to make top EU teams sweat) can adapt to playing against teams who actually know how to play the game and are not just idiots who dont pracc and play a shitty style and have worse decision making than ranked players, if I had to guess v1 is the best team in NA and I believe they will maybe not win masters 1 but could do really well, either way this is the right path for NA, they need teams to step up and start playing the game properly/structured instead of playing that disgusting puggy NA style, maybe they wont be sucesfull rn but they could be by champions or next year, they need leaders like vanity, zander and coaches like mce more in NA, I hope for a good performance in masters 1 from NA teams (good performance but hopefully not better than the EU teams kekw)
And those saying asian teams are better than 2022 top NA teams you guys are deluded and its not coming from an NA fan
PrTsty [#13]ah yes they beat a weakend envy, so much better
weakened envy? what weakened them? their lack of skills
Revlo [#19]Victor had Covid.
yet not like he was out of form, he played pretty decent, x10 as a whole just played better and did less mistakes compared to envy thats all, at least grow up to accept your defeats rather than finding excuses
sueYA [#21]yet not like he was out of form, he played pretty decent, x10 as a whole just played better and did less mistakes compared to envy thats all, at least grow up to accept your defeats rather than finding excuses
He was greatly out of form. Look at his masters Berlin stats, then champions, then now. It’s clear that Covid affected him. You’re delusional
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#20]So did TL. excuses
Some people are affected more than others. Look at his Berlin stats than champions, then now. You’ll see his champions stats are significantly worse. This shows that Covid clearly affected him and NV. You’re delusional.
Revlo [#22]He was greatly out of form. Look at his masters Berlin stats, then champions, then now. It’s clear that Covid affected him. You’re delusional
you are the one being delusional with your NA hopium, yes NA was better than asia in cs but in valorant SEA/APAC are at same level as NA if not better
sueYA [#25]you are the one being delusional with your NA hopium, yes NA was better than asia in cs but in valorant SEA/APAC are at same level as NA if not better
I’ve literally provided facts that Covid affected victor and envy. Yet you still deny it. Absolute brainlet.
Revlo [#26]People who genuinely think Any other region besides EU is better than NA rn is braindead.
Just wait a bit and NA aka Near Airport will prove themselves with a faster speed run to the airport
but if SEN can come to Masters, they will win it all
Revlo [#27]I’ve literally provided facts that Covid affected victor and envy. Yet you still deny it. Absolute brainlet.
"facts" you just used stats with no logic behind it and called that he was "affected more" when nivera literally had covid since day 1 Champions and even before that, and you know what? He got an ace at his first pro match specially on the first round. Literally destroyed on the Redbull event and probably would won Champions if the team actually played well besides scream. Just shut up bro
As strategic as EMEA teams can be, especially Fnatic who are on another level, contrary to popular belief NA is not lacking that far behind.
Top NA teams currently - Version1, Cloud9 & Guard have showcased impressive amount of creativity, innovation and adaptability in their strategies, team comps and mid-round callouts. Maybe it is conncted to the fact that these teams in specific do not relly on a star player to frag out and "go kill" as people like to portray certain NA teams, which ultimately makes them focus more on perfecting the set-piece strategies pre-game or focus on efficiently trying to counter opponents during the game. That makes them unpredictable and dangerous and even if ultimately they fail to beat EMEA teams, the gap between them will be really small.
Rest of NA tho... While I'm certain new meta that's on the horizon will help these teams a little they still need better coordination, work on comboing their utility efficiently and of course, stop relying on star duelists to frag, as previously mentioned. But I guess some rosters need more time to adapt to all the changes, so we should also consider the possibility of another S tier NA team emerging after some time together.
Well 3 of the top EU teams (Gambit, Acend and Liquid) are in a slump right now but Fnatic and FPX look like those teams did at Champions, maybe even better. Guild can be top but they have to fix their strategies. Individually Guild are fine though.
There is a big skill gap in NA. C9, V1, Guard look way better than other NA teams. Fnatic and FPX look way better than everyone else in the world. All depends on if Fnatic choke or not. Sentinels were the better team in Masters 2 but Fnatic still choked some maps and they choked vs KRÜ in Champions too.
conman [#15]I mean at this point we have more evidence that Champions was flukey and that NA is probably still the 2nd best region in the world.
0 NA team in top 4
only 1 NA team in top 8(fluke by c9)
Revlo [#24]Some people are affected more than others. Look at his Berlin stats than champions, then now. You’ll see his champions stats are significantly worse. This shows that Covid clearly affected him and NV. You’re delusional.
Nivera was more affected than Victor
Victor fall off
cry
kristof [#34]Nivera was more affected than Victor
Victor fall off
cry
Ah yes nivera was more affected.
Nivera literally said that he didnt have any symptomps
andrewdamf [#29]"facts" you just used stats with no logic behind it and called that he was "affected more" when nivera literally had covid since day 1 Champions and even before that, and you know what? He got an ace at his first pro match specially on the first round. Literally destroyed on the Redbull event and probably would won Champions if the team actually played well besides scream. Just shut up bro
NIVERA LITERALLY SAID HE HAD NO SYMPTOMPS
idkbro [#16]As a EU fanboy who watched all NA matches, v1, c9 and the guard are the clear best 3 teams in NA, they are on a different level to the rest of the teams in understanding of the meta, teamplay, strategic point of view, none of them have a player that is not as strong individually which is something not all NA teams have compared to EU and simply style, but the thing is that in emea every1 is good strategically, even regional leagues teams so basically those 3 are just outclassing the other teams who have a shit ton of mistakes, play poor strategically, nothing creative tactically, shit reads on the meta forcing chamber too much, shit teamplay, shit utility usage... we already saw in champions best NA team c9 looked outclassed strategically by fnatic/liquid and commited way more mistakes than they should and would get destroyed in mid rounds by european teams, most of the times in champions in EU vs NA matches the NA teams were the ones to get the opening kill most of the times but then lost 4v5 to intelligent midrounding and simply not being able to respond to teams who are used to playing agaisnt really strategic teams, they simply just manipulated their rotations like they were children and truly outclassing them. So we will see if c9, v1 and the guard (I consider those the only 3 realistic teams to even have a chance to make top EU teams sweat) can adapt to playing against teams who actually know how to play the game and are not just idiots who dont pracc and play a shitty style and have worse decision making than ranked players, if I had to guess v1 is the best team in NA and I believe they will maybe not win masters 1 but could do really well, either way this is the right path for NA, they need teams to step up and start playing the game properly/structured instead of playing that disgusting puggy NA style, maybe they wont be sucesfull rn but they could be by champions or next year, they need leaders like vanity, zander and coaches like mce more in NA, I hope for a good performance in masters 1 from NA teams (good performance but hopefully not better than the EU teams kekw)
And those saying asian teams are better than 2022 top NA teams you guys are deluded and its not coming from an NA fan
This is a cool idea but please use more punctuation. PLEASE. Anyway, I genuinely think that V1 and C9 have what it takes in terms of strats to stand up to Fnatic and Guild. Add in some crazy individual performances, and I think there's a very real chance they could win masters. And yes, Gambit looked dominant for the first match we saw them, but I don't know how the whole war is going to affect their mental + prac time (or if they'll be able to play at all), so I'm not including them for the time being.
bala [#39]EU got incredibly lucky during Master Berlin with all NA teams on one side of the bracket. We bounce back and win all lans this year.
no_noise_979 [#31]Well 3 of the top EU teams (Gambit, Acend and Liquid) are in a slump right now but Fnatic and FPX look like those teams did at Champions, maybe even better. Guild can be top but they have to fix their strategies. Individually Guild are fine though.
There is a big skill gap in NA. C9, V1, Guard look way better than other NA teams. Fnatic and FPX look way better than everyone else in the world. All depends on if Fnatic choke or not. Sentinels were the better team in Masters 2 but Fnatic still choked some maps and they choked vs KRÜ in Champions too.
I'd say Optic are close to if not at the Guard's level atm. It's true they have the disadvantage of a typically underfragging igl, but that gets balanced out by Yay and Victor most times, and they almost ALWAYS dominate their opponents map pic. If they could prep as well on their own map, I bet they'd 2-0 a bunch more teams.
bala [#39]EU got incredibly lucky during Master Berlin with all NA teams on one side of the bracket. We bounce back and win all lans this year.
Sentinels are garbage, was only successful because everyone was new and now they are trash tier because everyone understand fundamentals.
bala [#39]EU got incredibly lucky during Master Berlin with all NA teams on one side of the bracket. We bounce back and win all lans this year.
Sentinels was the one that “intentionally” threw to get on the other side of the bracket to avoid all the EU teams..
zardinez [#42]I'd say Optic are close to if not at the Guard's level atm. It's true they have the disadvantage of a typically underfragging igl, but that gets balanced out by Yay and Victor most times, and they almost ALWAYS dominate their opponents map pic. If they could prep as well on their own map, I bet they'd 2-0 a bunch more teams.
You are right, Optic just seems harder to predict if they will be on form or not compared to teams like C9, V1 and Guard.
no_noise_979 [#49]You are right, Optic just seems harder to predict if they will be on form or not compared to teams like C9, V1 and Guard.
Yeah which is why I didn't pred them winning. I firmly believe V1 and C9 will win out this tourney, but I think the Guard could be the best in time.
andrewdamf [#29]"facts" you just used stats with no logic behind it and called that he was "affected more" when nivera literally had covid since day 1 Champions and even before that, and you know what? He got an ace at his first pro match specially on the first round. Literally destroyed on the Redbull event and probably would won Champions if the team actually played well besides scream. Just shut up bro
are you stupid? do you know covid affects people differently? not everyone is affected the same you absolute brainlet.
kristof [#34]Nivera was more affected than Victor
Victor fall off
cry
how was nivera affected more, when nivera said he was fine, and yay said victor was affected by it? you're the definitely the biggest clown on this site.
Revlo [#54]are you stupid? do you know covid affects people differently? not everyone is affected the same you absolute brainlet.
Sure keep coping hard, Victor with or not covid will stay with the same shit stats anyways.
andrewdamf [#56]Sure keep coping hard, Victor with or not covid will stay with the same shit stats anyways.
bronzil shitters always delusional.
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#11]yea in fact they already exceeded NA's level
just look at the last Champs result
yes man absolutely exceeded them with 1 tournament and 1 win against NA lmao
Revlo [#57]bronzil shitters always delusional.
Nah Ur just braindead and cant accept that Victor is inconsistent, should be happy he even played well against Knights dumbass
andrewdamf [#59]Nah Ur just braindead and cant accept that Victor is inconsistent, should be happy he even played well against Knights dumbass
affected by covid = inconsistent
ok retard.
conman [#15]I mean at this point we have more evidence that Champions was flukey and that NA is probably still the 2nd best region in the world.
what evidence,that eu is losing to eu?,doesnt that mean eu competition is just tougher
Revlo [#60]affected by covid = inconsistent
ok retard.
Ah yes i guess he has covid since he joined envy because theres no way he doenst drop 70 kills every match!!!! go eat maple syrup with some shit dumbass
LegendaryPP [#23]NA gonna win it all. Without CIS and Acend looking like a clown EU can't do shit. Downvote me all you want, but i spoke nothing but the truth, my truth.
you need to worry about the indonesian scene first,this opinion shows that theres still alot of work to do
asdfgh [#63]you need to worry about the indonesian scene first,this opinion shows that theres still alot of work to do
the indo scene is fine actually, our teams actually have a decent chance in making it to masters, if not paper rex will carry the pride
kristof [#33]0 NA team in top 4
only 1 NA team in top 8(fluke by c9)
Now do the other international events.
asdfgh [#61]what evidence,that eu is losing to eu?,doesnt that mean eu competition is just tougher
Masters 1, an NA won the event and didn't drop a map. Masters 2, an NA team was runner-up. NA is behind EMEA, but what other region has results that are even close to NA?
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