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KacperS
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theyre prob are transphobic, but the clip thats going around they dont say anything that bad right? or is it just me

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MrBlooBloom
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it's just you

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riensluvr
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it’s just you dawg

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KacperS
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what did he really say then

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riensluvr
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he called trans women “dudes” and openly admitted to betting on the team with more trans players

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bay_z
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openly admitted to betting on the team with more trans players

Most transphobic thing I've ever seen. Lock him up for life

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put him on jail rn

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OldIGN
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in what way tho? i use "guys" generically if i were talking to a group of people. (no matter their gender) also the bet thing is genuinely a nothing burger issue.

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riensluvr
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that’s not how he used it though there’s a huge difference between “what’s up guys” and “all the trans women in gc are dudes”

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The clip shows pretty clearly he used it in a mocking manner and not just a general term

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Not acceptable for people like them to say due to the obvious outrage it will cause, but it isn’t the crime that everyone is making it out to be.

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I personally dont have anything to hate on trans people, its their choice and it doesnt harm me in any way.
However what is harmful are trans-women competing in bio-women sports/esports. Genders/sex were seperated for obvious reasons, like trans-woman having physical advantages of bio-man (faster reflexes etc.), which are now competing with other bio-women.

Its complicating. They could have chosen better words to describe trans people, although I understand their frustration.

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i don’t care for this drama and don’t think ardiss or leo are ‘monsters’ lol but game changers is specifically for women and other marginalised genders including trans ppl, if game changers was specifically for women then it would be an issue but it isn’t.

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I always considered game changers as women only tournaments

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Well you're wrong? That's just not what it is

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so can I get signed by some GC team as a man?

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yes but it isn’t, that’s the thing a lot of ppl don’t understand, i do think that game changers won’t be taken seriously unless it becomes women only but it’s up the the players themselves to decide on that.

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I agree with you but you considering a women only tournament doesn't make it that it's the exact thing you're talking about with trans.

If the tournament was to help women and only women then fair.

But Game changers is for Women and whatever else you want to be that's why ardiss can make the joke to compete in game changers if he wants to be a women

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If GC are women and others (trans etc.) then alright. I never understood the "woke" culture, however Im trying to be respectful towards them. I always look at things from the scientifical and physical side first

Both of them could have used better words or not even talked about it.

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Livvie
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theres far more nuance to this than "testosterone make you better" but okay

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Mrudddddd
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its such a nothing burger

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It's a nothing burger I promise you most pros think the exact same way but they can't pubic ally say it or make jokes about it because the trans community Isn't exactly open minded about others having difference opinions to them whether it's because of religion or personal choice.

Leo and Ardiss just don't care they don't have be fake PR trained to appease the masses.

Also they didn't openly say anything from the clip I saw was just a joke about the person subbing in being a Game changer

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trentglazer
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Isn't exactly open minded about others having difference opinions to them whether it's because of religion or personal choice.|

lmfaoooo
you're so close buddy, so close

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What point are you trying to make?

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trentglazer
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do you seriously look at every transphobe ever at not realise this statement applies to them as well? hating on someone's personal choice, for the sake of "protecting the women" even tho most of them have never given two shits about women before?

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I mean you're just assuming shit I have personally always love and support women because that is the way I was brought up so whatever point you're trying to make means nothing to me.

Yes people will do what your saying but that is the minority as long as the rights and safety of women aren't being compromised I don't care what you wanna be.

Women and Men allign on this issue and any other reason is just kids and deranged people liking to hate just to hate which isn't exclusive to being Trans.

Women get hate for no reason by Deranged people and kids

Men get hate for no reason by Deranged people and kids tho less commonly still happens.

They will continue and always continue to do it to trans people because it's sooo easy to get a reaction if noone reacted they wouldn't do it but there is always a reaction so there will always be some shit ragebaiting that is life

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your argument here is that trans people aren't open minded to people having different opinions to them, when all they're doing is speaking up against someone who's hating on them. its the very people they're speaking out against who have a problem with someones personal choice. there's a reason Druski could make that Erica Kirk skit, its because she isn't exactly an oppressed minority. the kind of jokes ardiis and Leo are literally the type of joke that's only funny bc they're hating on a minority their audience dislikes

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Trans people aren't open minded if your views don't align with them you're named and shamed? (Atleast the ones I have seen)

If a trans person asked me a question "do you support trans people and I said no" I would get hate and shamed and shouted at even if I show 0 hate, There is a large difference by not agreeing with something and not agreeing with something and hating on others.

You can not agree with something and not hate on it at the same time? Is that so hard to understand? If I don't agree with other religions it doesn't mean I hate or want them oppressed it means I disagree with what they stand for? Hating only comes when you vocalise it and slam it?

If you wanna become a different Gender cool go for it I don't care but don't put it anywhere near children and make sure it isn't comprising the safety of women? If neither is done I don't hate them for it?

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If a trans person asked me a question "do you support trans people and I said no" I would get hate and shamed and shouted at even if I show 0 hate, There is a large difference by not agreeing with something and not agreeing with something and hating on others.

making up an imaginary example in your head is not the correct way to go about this bro

but don't put it anywhere near children

why not? gender dysphoria is something people have from birth, a child suffering from it should know that there are options

You can not agree with something and not hate on it at the same time?

this isn't an ideal or a philosophy, its a form of dysphoria

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  1. The example isn't imaginary? The Example has happened and continues to happen.

  2. Because kids are impressionable and easily changed their mind if you think anyone under the age of 16 should have the rights to change gender you're so cooked it's disgusting. That is by far one of the most disgusting things I've seen on this site lmao Until their brains are fully developed they should never have the choice to make any life changing changes to their lives they might regret simply because they're too young to understand.

  3. Under many religions the act of changing your gender is not okay what so ever and if those people believe in their god or what have you that is simply they way they think and the way they support but they can choose to not hate on you being what you want but they don't accept it.

You're doing the thing where you either have to agree with trans or you hate it with the way you speak it's the exact thing people have a problem with trans thinking.

If you believe trans ideas should be anywhere near children who have not fully development their bodies or brains making life changing decisions that is extremely scary NO IDEAS that change who you're or what you will have to live with needs to be near a child until atleast 16.

If you disagree with any of this that's fine go argue with 16 year olds hating on trans people on twitter because my point has been given across and I don't believe we gain anything else from this conversation.

You have your beliefs and I have mine I don't think we will agree on them so reply if you need but I will not be carrying this on as I have work. o7

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HIMNIJ
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religion is not an excuse to be a bigot, stop using it as one, if your a cunt, and you say "oh its because of my religion" that doesnt change anything, your still a cunt.

the example literally is imaginary because you didnt provide a specific example you literally just fucking came up with one lmao, thats the definition of imaginary.

kids should probably not be allowed on hrt as children i agree, does that mean they shouldnt be allowed to talk to therapists and explore their gender? personally i think its perfectly reasonable for a 16 yr old who thinks their trans to talk to a therapist about it, if the therapist agrees its likely, they can go on hormone blockers, and then when they are 18 can make the choice themselves about whether or not to pursue hrt, 16 year olds are allowed to go to war but we wont let them change their gender?

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trentglazer
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Because kids are impressionable and easily changed their mind

being trans comes from medical gender dysphoria, its not like starting smoking or something lol
anyways see ya, and i hope you're not hateful towards any other groups

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ozaee
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exactly, especially non-western countries which both leo and ardiss are from. it’s just that valorant’s community is very progressive that they get hate even though what they said was pretty mild.

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-Artorias
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ardiss is western

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AspectZera
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Transphobic? No one is scared of trans people brother😂😂you guys are just gay asf and will die early

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