Is mw1 still contracted to VLT?

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Supr3meGucci

https://www.vlr.gg/66647/reckoning-esports-vs-chillinwithfriends-conquerors-championship-in-qualifier-1-ro16
How was he playing on this team if he is still contracted?

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asdfghjkl

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ge fans :skull:

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Bo0mShell

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?? He asked a genuine question

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asdfghjkl

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idiot chilling with friends isn't a real org its with friends

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Supr3meGucci

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No way everyone is this dumb 💀
Expected from vlr though i guess

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Bo0mShell

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I know that, but why are you putting a tag on him for asking a question?

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Bo0mShell

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Also he asked this question wondering what if they actually end up qualifying, winning against Vlt.

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asdfghjkl

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stfu virgin boy

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Bo0mShell

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Dumbass, you cannot play VCT qualifiers from a team you aren't signed with.
Also great counter argument. Fucking 8 year old.

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iiSlasher

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You can play qualifiers with a team you aren't signed to, literally hundreds of unsigned teams compete in these.

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iiSlasher

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He is also a sub, not an active player.

#48

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bombshell :skull: go outside

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Bo0mShell

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I can't. Why would I be on this site wasting my time if I could do that.

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Mortadelo

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The team is literally called Chill with friends bro. Have you never seen idk Asuna play random tournament with friends?

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Supr3meGucci

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Read my comment beneath this one

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hellaeleganceyeah

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you cant play vct from a team not represented by the org youre signed to. so asuna cant play na vct(vcc equivalent) from any other team than 100theives. im guessing the rules are the same for vcc, this isnt just a random tourney bro.

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Mortadelo

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You’re right, maybe he is just not the anymore and it hasn’t been announced? Idk

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hellaeleganceyeah

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if he is still with vlt even only on paper theres grounds for a ban for him. someone should write to nodwin to look into it, they were 1 game away from matching with their supposed contracted org lmao.

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Mortadelo

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I don’t think that should be a ban, is the org the one that should why your player is doing that, and put a sanction

#23

hellaeleganceyeah

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thats just the rules. if it comes out that the org ignored it knowingly then im sure theyll be punished as well cause they will seem to be leveraging the situation to get a free win.

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SKara

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Mw1 is not with vlt he is a free agent now source:- Eupho's (vlt manager)stream

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hellaeleganceyeah

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he was still tweeting about vlt and has vlt in his bios in insta and twitter. was there any timeline mentioned for his exit?

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SKara

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Its acutally funny some players tend to keep the previous org names/profile pic for few days or even months for different reasons like enigma excali hasnt changed his yt channel pic because he is waiting to do a photoshoot, deathmaker kept godl in yt bio but its been soo long since he joined vlt xD

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nalinx

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if he was a free agent then he wouldnt be in team meetings :/ + share the clip where eupho said it

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SKara

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You do realize vlt is like his family he could go whenever he want there, he could again join vlt and they would sign him but he is waiting to complete his studies + sorry bro i forgor it wasnt a clip it was in livestream though you could ask eupho again whenever he would strean again

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Contracted for a team and registering for a tourney are 2 different things.

mw1 is a member of VLT, true. But VLT did not register him for the tourney with the team.

Hence mw1 (in the eyes of VCC) is not playing from VLT. He is free to play from any other team.

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Supr3meGucci

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If he met vlt in the future bracket it would be a clear conflict of interest

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SnooTangerines

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You really think adults the age of 25 behave like children. Read his team name again.

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no if youre signed to an org you cant play in another team that is not your org. that is the rule in vct. doesnt matter if theyre likely to meet or not. thats why dicey(100t) and tarik(eg) couldnt play in shroud's(whats going on) team to play the vct opens even when shroud asked them.

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VCC is not VCT, it is just a qualifier to participate in VCT. Get your facts right. Also, Riot games rulings are very different from what Nodwin Gaming rulings are.

Basically, Riot has totally outsourced the responsibility of conducting tournaments in South Asia to Nodwin. From what I remember, even the prize money of VCC the previous year was arranged by Nodwin themselves and not by Riot. You cannot call VCC even a first-party tournament, just a "qualifier" to play in VCT. This is not just the case for SA though, in NA, Nerd Streed Gaming also does the same.

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they use the same rulebook dipshit. nodwin, nerdst are just local TO's. anything that qualifies to champions is vct, hence the champions tour. shit like nerd st. winter champs even follow the same rule when they dont feed into the vct, you think the official southasian quals wont?

you cant be contracted to an org who is playing in the tourney and play in another unrelated team who might encounter the org in question. that is a blatant conflict of interest. what the fuck rulings are you talking about, the competitive integrity of the scene is to be upheld by everyone not just major regions.

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SnooTangerines

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If that is the case, please send an official mail to Nodwin and get mw1 and VLT penalized.

You are acting as if mw1 is a nonamer and people from Nodwin definitely did not notice one of SA's best players playing illegally in a tournament.

VCC rules clearly state -

Players may not play for, or contract with, more than one Team at a time. If a player enters into such an arrangement or contract, VCC Officials reserve the right to bar the player from playing any future matches until the situation has been resolved and the player is in compliance with the requirements in this Section.

mw1 is contracted ONLY WITH VLT. chilling with friends is not an organization.

mw1 is playing ONLY FOR chilling with friends.

He, therefore, abides by the contract rule for VCC. Notice the "or" in "play for, or contract with,". The rules address playing in a team and being contracted to an org as two separate things. He does not break either of them.

This very naturally is a loophole and I am not claiming otherwise. The right to enforce this lies solely with Nodwin Gaming. If they choose not too, then either it is not an issue at all or the player does not break any rules.

I mean dude let's be serious mw1 was featured in nearly half of the thumbnails in the previous VCC's live streams. There is no way he would get away with something like this.

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hellaeleganceyeah

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mw1 is playing with ChillinWIthFriends (note "play for") and (apparently) in contract with VLT (which is a team playing in VCC). those are two different thing that he cannot do at once. VLT and Chillinwithfriends are more than one team.

if u wanna get serious this is basic 2nd grader logic, the conflict of interest is undeniable. they were 1 match away from meeting VLT and mw1 could potentially throw for the org which pays his bills. even outside of the rulebook how does this uphold the competitive integrity of the scene? you think southasia should be subject to different rules than na/emea? the world already thinks of forsaken when india's name comes up in esports, this is not gonna help that one bit.

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SnooTangerines

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1) Stop trying to defend your flawed interpretation of this rule. As I said before, if you think you are right why not complain to nodwin about it? If he did break the rules then he should be punished, no doubt about it.

2) Calling it a 2nd grader logic does not invalidate a point. Do you know any reasons why nodwin does not take action? I repeat, there is no way Nodwin does not know that mw1 is a part of VLT and playing from a different team.

3) You yourself claim that SA and NA/EMEA has the same rules and now asking if SA is to be subject to different rules. I don't care if we are using the same rules as NA/EMEA. I couldn't care less.

My original point was not if competitive integrity is maintained or not. I just stated if mw1 broke a rule and as it seems, there is a loophole that he can use and get away with it.

Lastly, Forsaken is not the first nor the last cheater in esports. There have already been multiple cases of cheating already in SEA valorant scene, NA valo scene and the Turkish scene as well (I bet there are others as well). I don't really care if the world acts as if Forsaken was the only cheater in esports and you should come out of that mentality as well. He just became a meme which was quite funny for the world and honestly unfortunate for India's esports scene.

How does mw1 playing in a tournament and Forsaken even come in the same thread? What is this some sort of fetish of yours to include Forsaken in every damn convo you have about esports online?

Stop beating around the bushes and come face to the facts.

Calling VCC a part of VCT.
Same rules for Nodwin Tournaments and VCT tournaments despite the fact that Nodwin had to make special rules for server selection, player residential rules.
Should I add that NerdStreet tournaments allow coaches to tune in to the live streams while VCT does not.
Including Forsaken in every damn thread

Seriously what are you high on?

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you are really dumb. The rule you referred to prevents a player from being paid from one team and playing for another. Had ChillinWithFriendz faced off against VLT, either of the team would have to forfeit the match.

continue thread →

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You really don't know shit about esports rules don't you

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hellaeleganceyeah

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no u cant play in vct in a team that is not the org youre in contract with.

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Supr3meGucci

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Use your head.

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You never use yours when you post tho?

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Supr3meGucci

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Why does no understand that if mw1 is still contracted to VLT and he meets against them in the future bracket it would be a breach of competitive integrity?

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simple
a team can register only 6 players for VCC
mw1 was not one among the 6
he was allowed to play for another team for VCC
he is still in contract

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If he's in contract with VLT he is not allowed to play for another team. Ethos was just a content creator yet he wasnt allowed to play. Riot needs to make clear rule, they are so lax

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sWan10_exe

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nope
the same happened with sway
she is cc for VLT
but by anna's permission
she was able to play female tourneys
another example is meow16k
she is a cc for XO
but by XO owner's permission
she was able to play professionally for VLT

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Those players aren't competing in the same fucking tournament, you retard.

#42

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??

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GGgod

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VCC is not VCT
It's a qualifying event with it's own ruleset
Nowhere in the ruleset it's mentioned one player contracted with 1 team can't play for another , so if VLT is fun with it so should people on internet forums be

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allyb

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cal duty modern warfare

#45

OzyMeister

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why so much fuss for a tier3 team