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redrawing is LESS fair btw

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#1
ggd12345

i see some people complaining about the new matchups and prep time, but conceding that the redraw is more fair. here’s why it is not:

  • the original draw was perfectly random, if the host did it on accident
  • leo had three different choices on how to do the redraw: completely new draw, don’t redraw but shuffle the teams, and redraw starting from the point it was messed up
  • the decision between these three was made non-randomly and behind the scenes
  • they actively decided to redraw in the first place, a decision that happened after seeing the matchups

basically they looked at the current matchups, considered the new matchups if they shuffled the teams, and then decided to have a shot at some other matchups instead

#2
tua
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There was nothing wrong with the original draw, it was perfectly random

The only problem was it wasn’t in the order Riot wanted it

(Edit for more info): EVERY VCT draw show has a specific order to position teams in

Santiago draw show did not follow that specific order

#10
SadQwesz
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riot is a control freak

#12
Wingull
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and that in itself is a massive problem

it's an explicit rule stated in their international rulebook that the draw needs to be ordered a certain way

if we are gonna get up in arms about the potential breaking of riot's official rules in VCT pacific, then riot also needs to follow their own rules at an international event

#3
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They had to redraw because they failed to rig the first draw, they don’t actually care about fairness

#4
juliusendi
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I think some team complained about the draw with therulebook in hand. There is nothing much they can do.
I don't want to accuse the host, but there is still the possibility that it wasn't unintentional. The redraws are unfortunate, but absolutely fair.

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ggd12345
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did you read my post? they had a choice of how to do the redraw. this means they had every opportunity to rig it, hence it is not fair

#8
juliusendi
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It's still random? There's a video with lots of players and coaches supervising the draw.
The moment when it was wrong would have been the second draw. However, this does not change the probabilities of the draws at all.
So it is not rigged.

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ggd12345
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each individual draw was monitored and fair, but the choice between draws is not fair. if the three draws in question are A (live draw), B (shuffled live draw), and C (redraw), then sure the original host may have had a choice between A and B (although she announced A before drawing it, so it’s pretty obviously fair), while leo had a choice between A, B, and C (or even B and C if they were “forced” to redraw), which has no evidence of being pre-decided. I’ll happily change my mind if there’s a rule in the rulebook that says “If there is a mistake in the draw before XX time, then there will be a live re-draw” to force leo’s hand

look up optional stopping bias for a similar example in statistics

#14
Kkduka
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Yay sure budy and every politician is honest and good person, there is no war all of them live happily.

#5
Fabiandw
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Absolutely agree. I wouldn't say they necessarily looked at the matchup to decide what to do, but the fact is that they could have. They had a perfectly random draw: the host also said something along the lines of "and now we'll draw their opponent" before the second team was drawn too, no ambiguity there. Now we went from random legitimate draw to Riot deciding to have a second draw by a non-random factor.

#6
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Once the balls were pulled randomly, that should’ve been it. The redraw just complicated things.

#9
frenchge
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Also someone told me that the original idea was to put the first pick against the third one, was that right? That doesn't even make sense mathematically since there's only 4 teams, who's the braindead at Riot behind these? The first draw was literally perfect.

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genuine question why are we still talking abt this, its not like they are gonna revert it

yall care more than the players themselves

#15
ggd12345
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cuz i just woke up and missed this yesterday and i am obligated to get my opinion out

#17
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fairs

#16
I_LOVE_LESS
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i like Less

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