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patmen > invy

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#1
serot

stat wise they are about the same with high inconsistency (when patmen was on PRX)
people say invy is a better aimer but imo its also about the same from the eye test alone

what I do know for sure is that patmen has more comms, better calls, and better team communication

PRX got a firepower sidegrade with a downgrade in communication and teamplay
invy simply does not contribute enough in comms to replace patmen

#2
SENfns
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how do you know he has better calls and team communication
we don't see all the comms even in a voice comms video

#3
mulyondoindon
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he's inside their walls. Listening closely

#4
serot
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you see a good portion of the comms in a vc video
its nothing about pre barrier stuff but nearly everything in postplant and midround situations is included
and just from that it is obvious that patmen does more in midround communication than invy ever did

#9
Astar
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you can kinda understand the comms vibe just from the videos, hes not that vocal as a person and always been since TS days

#5
Seb1612
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kickoffs wasnt even over for paper rex and invy already top frags more map than patmen from stage 1 to champs. If thats not a “fire power” upgrade idk what is

#6
serot
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he also botfrags just as often so say what you will about that

#7
CrackedDuelist
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so, invy and patmen have same floor but invy has a higher ceiling, i'd say picking up invy is a win-win then

#8
Seb1612
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It just shows that they have the same floor performance and invy with less time, higher peak performance. So your point?

#10
laifu
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both pat and invy are great flex players, pat being relegated to fade/viper duty and invy on sova/fade for PRX

invy is a better fade/sova imo and is better mechanically than pat, if PRX were able to pull off the -mindfreak +invy move last year we wouldn't even have this convo, PRX knows how good invy is and pat always has been the 3rd choice during the offseason behind kushy and invy in their eyes

#11
alsoxowna
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people don't understand that with any average Initiator. PRX would still win toronto, because regardless of who the Initiator was, PRX initiator role is very limiting. Beyn could be their initiator and they'll still win, Jessievash could be their initiator and they'll win Toronto. Why? Because everyone in the team that masters turn up. why are people always making the narrative that only Patmen played good there and carried the team. he wasn't even the MVP lol. everyone in PRX in that tournament went above and beyond their average performance

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