based on international results (bangkok, toronto, riyadh, paris) only & this can change based on top 4 champs results:
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Reflexxfv [#2]yo get KC outta here bro
these are the only 4 teams that can compete with KC
sentinelmain377 [#3]
- Trace Esports (7th-8th, N/A, N/A, N/A) - CN
- Dragon Ranger Gaming (N/A, N/A, N/A, 13th-16th) - CN
- 100 Thieves (N/A, N/A, 13th-16th, N/A) - AMER
- Titan Esports Club (N/A, N/A, 13th-16th, N/A) - CN
these are the only 4 teams that can compete with KC
DRG>KC also NAVI?
Reflexxfv [#4]DRG>KC also NAVI?
based on international results (bangkok, toronto, riyadh, paris) only:while NAVI was prob better this year, they didnt attend any internationals
also KC 5th-8th at EWC > DRG 13th-16th at Champs
sentinelmain377 [#5]based on international results (bangkok, toronto, riyadh, paris) only:while NAVI was prob better this year, they didnt attend any internationals
also KC 5th-8th at EWC > DRG 13th-16th at Champs
yeah didnt read that part
IceCreamFan [#9]Sen attended every international how are they lower than geng
cuz they did nothing at 2 of them (they were lucky to be there since americas is so ass), tied with GEN.G at Toronto (fraudulently by beating only chinese teams), and placed under them at EWC
it's actually so funny to me that NRG is in this spot with just champs but it's actually true because literally every team is just that inconsistent
shrike- [#12]it's actually so funny to me that NRG is in this spot with just champs but it's actually true because literally every team is just that inconsistent
ewc too
IceCreamFan [#9]Sen attended every international how are they lower than geng
who cares about the chinese farmers? they did nothing at the events
Yistyy [#15]why are we counting an event that isn't a part of riot's official circuit
u can make ur own "vct only" team ranking. nothing is stopping you.
sentinelmain377 [#13]ewc too
Lowkey forgot they even played that event but tbh they did beat RRQ TH so makes sense
sentinelmain377 [#16]u can make ur own "vct only" team ranking. nothing is stopping you.
nah im just asking. cuz personally i don't think it should be included.
TSbestfan [#8]I don't do math so who's better region on this ranking
EMEA is exactly equal with PACIFIC (mathematical average of top 7 teams). the top 4 champs paris placements will matter
Yistyy [#19]nah im just asking. cuz personally i don't think it should be included.
it is an S-Tier, international, male valorant event with a good prize pool that used VCT Stage 1 for team qualification (which means the best Valorant teams played at the event)
it is 100% valid
sentinelmain377 [#21]it is an S-Tier, international, male valorant event with a good prize pool that used VCT Stage 1 for team qualification (which means the best Valorant teams played at the event)
it is 100% valid
to quote themaniel, "huge tech issues + not on lan + single elimination playoffs + 2 teams with subs + unstreamed online bo1 qualifiers + bo1’s being in the tournament in general + playing multiple different teams in the same day. "
ts mickey asf gng im sorry 🥀🥀
if we counting ts then we counting sen city soop and redbull
Yistyy [#22]to quote themaniel, "huge tech issues + not on lan + single elimination playoffs + 2 teams with subs + unstreamed online bo1 qualifiers + bo1’s being in the tournament in general + playing multiple different teams in the same day. "
ts mickey asf gng im sorry 🥀🥀
if we counting ts then we counting sen city soop and redbull
"tech issues": if we actually considered this making TH have a fluke win over BBL, it would only move BBL up in rankings and move TH down. EMEA would be unaffected.
"online": doesnt matter if there werent any issues except the TH vs BBL game.
"single elim playoffs": better than watching an unfair grand final where 1 team has a 2 map-ban advantage
"if we counting ts then we counting sen city soop and redbull": those tournaments combined dont match ewc prize pool. pls use some brain cells. also most of them just straight up invited teams (little - no qualifiers)
"playing multiple different teams in the same day": FNC had to play TL and NUT in Reykjavik 2021 on the same day. Does that make Reykjavik 2021 mickey?
sentinelmain377 [#23]"tech issues": if we actually considered this making TH have a fluke win over BBL, it would only move BBL up in rankings and move TH down. EMEA would be unaffected.
"online": doesnt matter if there werent any issues except the TH vs BBL game.
"single elim playoffs": better than watching an unfair grand final where 1 team has a 2 map-ban advantage
"if we counting ts then we counting sen city soop and redbull": those tournaments combined dont match ewc prize pool. pls use some brain cells. also most of them just straight up invited teams (little - no qualifiers)
"playing multiple different teams in the same day": FNC had to play TL and NUT in Reykjavik 2021 on the same day. Does that make Reykjavik 2021 mickey?
move TH down.
yeah that's the whole point, the only reason th are that high is because of you counting ewc.
EMEA would be unaffected
don't care at all about that, not sure how its relevant. im just arguing that the ewc tournament results shouldn't be included for your rankings
"online": doesnt matter if there werent any issues except the TH vs BBL game.
it actually does matter considerably, because some rounds could be decided off of ping , whereas every itl riot tournament has always been on LAN.
"single elim playoffs": better than watching an unfair grand final where 1 team has a 2 map-ban advantage
why? i think its better to reward the team that went undefeated and penalize the team that lost a match. at the same time, a double bracket helps reduce variance significantly.
those tournaments combined dont match ewc prize pool.
pls explain why the prize pool matters?
"playing multiple different teams in the same day": FNC had to play TL and NUT in Reykjavik 2021 on the same day. Does that make Reykjavik 2021 mickey?
that alone doesn't make a tourney mickey, but it is without a doubt a major asterisk. when you consider the totality of ewc's problems its just another reason piled on.
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