Let’s just say somehow Bang is dropped from SEN, (tenz comes back or they don’t wanna go with him next year)
Does 100t pick bang back up??
If so they could have Zander senti /viper/igl
Could work? Idk
Possible 100t next year
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give Sean gares as much money as he asks for to move him back into la to coach one last year and bring back bang + asuna I swear it'll work
c4rrotstix [#2]give Sean gares as much money as he asks for to move him back into la to coach one last year and bring back bang + asuna I swear it'll work
I wish but Sean is never coming back
c4rrotstix [#2]give Sean gares as much money as he asks for to move him back into la to coach one last year and bring back bang + asuna I swear it'll work
Bro Sean just isn't a good coach like what are we saying. He has done nothing in his career to warrant this level of dick riding.
Dymerr [#4]Bro Sean just isn't a good coach like what are we saying. He has done nothing in his career to warrant this level of dick riding.
Sean "brought a team that got 0-13'd on ascent into champs the same yearand should've made champs playoffs if his entire team didn't mental boom from the stress" Gares is not a bad coach
c4rrotstix [#5]Sean "brought a team that got 0-13'd on ascent into champs the same yearand should've made champs playoffs if his entire team didn't mental boom from the stress" Gares is not a bad coach
they got bounced first round in champs and he didnt build a good team it was a insanely weak Americas league with the guard being the only semi good team in that last chance qualifiers. The best thing sean did was pick up bang.
Dymerr [#6]they got bounced first round in champs and he didnt build a good team it was a insanely weak Americas league with the guard being the only semi good team in that last chance qualifiers. The best thing sean did was pick up bang.
They did get covid and was split up against drx with 3 on stage 2 in a Covid room. Also almost won that.
Dymerr [#6]they got bounced first round in champs and he didnt build a good team it was a insanely weak Americas league with the guard being the only semi good team in that last chance qualifiers. The best thing sean did was pick up bang.
they beat fnatic before losing to them in the rematch what in the rewriting history is this
MentalSwmr [#7]They did get covid and was split up against drx with 3 on stage 2 in a Covid room. Also almost won that.
the thing is there are so many coaches who are proven winners. Why are we gonna give unlimited money to someone who is not a proven winner.
Dymerr [#9]the thing is there are so many coaches who are proven winners. Why are we gonna give unlimited money to someone who is not a proven winner.
yes because that worked so well with Z0kz
c4rrotstix [#8]they beat fnatic before losing to them in the rematch what in the rewriting history is this
still got bounced in groups. I am not rewriting history sean is not proven winning coach and never will be. He could have been potentially but he retired early.
c4rrotstix [#10]yes because that worked so well with Z0kz
first time ever head coaching just didnt workout. Time to get a head coach that has won something
Dymerr [#12]first time ever head coaching just didnt workout. Time to get a head coach that has won something
who
tell me who is available in americas that has won something
sen: no coach
gambit: eu
acend: eu
optic: PLEASE GOD NOT CHET
fpx: eu
loud: Brazil
fnc: eu
eg: potter is stuck in eg jail or she is keeping herself there
sen: kap is not leaving
geng: apac
edg: cn
t1: autBUM please no
prx: apac
who has "won something" that is available.
Dymerr [#11]still got bounced in groups. I am not rewriting history sean is not proven winning coach and never will be. He could have been potentially but he retired early.
Pretty sure Sean had a huge stat as being the most positive conversion of a round win after a timeout that year.
Dymerr [#4]Bro Sean just isn't a good coach like what are we saying. He has done nothing in his career to warrant this level of dick riding.
Sean is one of the best coaches that Valorant has seen lol
c4rrotstix [#13]who
tell me who is available in americas that has won something
sen: no coach
gambit: eu
acend: eu
optic: PLEASE GOD NOT CHET
fpx: eu
loud: Brazil
fnc: eu
eg: potter is stuck in eg jail or she is keeping herself there
sen: kap is not leaving
geng: apac
edg: cn
t1: autBUM please no
prx: apac
who has "won something" that is available.
why you saying EU like that disqualifies them as a coach? Engh could 100% leave KC.
SAMPV6 [#15]Sean is one of the best coaches that Valorant has seen lol
how many trophies does he have as a coach? How many top 3 in S-Rank tournaments does he have? 1?
Dymerr [#16]why you saying EU like that disqualifies them as a coach? Engh could 100% leave KC.
why do you want engh, that guy pissed away saadhak on his roster if you think he'll do anything with this team ur delusional bro
If Bang is coming back, then Zander or Cryo are dropped. Could have something like Alym, Eeiu, Kyu, Bang, Cryo.
MentalSwmr [#14]Pretty sure Sean had a huge stat as being the most positive conversion of a round win after a timeout that year.
I dont care man this is insanity in sports you wouldnt call a coach who has never won anything a amazing coach.
Dymerr [#17]how many trophies does he have as a coach? How many top 3 in S-Rank tournaments does he have? 1?
how many top players did he have as a coach? How many top 3 players at any S-Rank tournament did he have? 1?
bobwoblob [#19]If Bang is coming back, then Zander or Cryo are dropped. Could have something like Alym, Eeiu, Kyu, Bang, Cryo.
Almost like you did’t read what I said. Zander to senti/viper and they keep the main structure. Their biggest problem this year was coaching
c4rrotstix [#21]how many top players did he have as a coach? How many top 3 players at any S-Rank tournament did he have? 1?
yeah I agree he built a shitty team like that doesnt help your case
Fuck bang we dont need the tilting on stage, 0 impact lurks, getting util out and dying stupidly cause of no awareness, no loyalty to the team that made his career even tho he shouldve been dropped after being shit in 2023, flashy mechanics merchant
MentalSwmr [#23]Almost like you did’t read what I said. Zander to senti/viper and they keep the main structure. Their biggest problem this year was coaching
So then you have to drop Cryo then and that's not happening. Unless you think Cryo is just forever going to be able to play Yoru and nothing else
Dymerr [#20]I dont care man this is insanity in sports you wouldnt call a coach who has never won anything a amazing coach.
Won lcq with a few weeks of prac against great Na teams. As well as left coaching after half a year of working.
bobwoblob [#26]So then you have to drop Cryo then and that's not happening. Unless you think Cryo is just forever going to be able to play Yoru and nothing else
Can you explain why they drop cryo?
Dymerr [#24]yeah I agree he built a shitty team like that doesnt help your case
"built" a shitty team that had to get completely remade halfway through the year with anyone willing to join the org yeah that's his fault he wasn't hired until the summer
MentalSwmr [#27]Won lcq with a few weeks of prac against great Na teams. As well as left coaching after half a year of working.
He could have been great but he isnt. Winning LCQ was a good start for his career but if we wanna say sean could have been one of the best in the game then I agree he maybe could have we will never know. He just didnt do enough and doesnt warrent this dick riding he gets
MentalSwmr [#28]Can you explain why they drop cryo?
so he can join sen and reunite with zekken
c4rrotstix [#29]"built" a shitty team that had to get completely remade halfway through the year with anyone willing to join the org yeah that's his fault he wasn't hired until the summer
What are you taking about remake the team???? If your taking about the babyj ecls thing, he was hired after that mess
MentalSwmr [#28]Can you explain why they drop cryo?
Cryo right now only plays Yoru. If Yoru goes out of meta, then what does he play? He's only shown some promise on senti/smokes and you already have Zander/Bang who play senti/smokes. So you can only have 2 of Zander/Bang/Cryo.
MentalSwmr [#32]What are you taking about remake the team???? If your taking about the babyj ecls thing, he was hired after that mess
he had to take 4 tier1/2 players that weren't proven at all because everyone else was already on a team when he joined, so he had to remake the team and their identity
c4rrotstix [#34]he had to take 4 tier1/2 players that weren't proven at all because everyone else was already on a team when he joined, so he had to remake the team and their identity
You just helped out on why he was so great, he took 5 decent players and won lcq with them and best fnc
bobwoblob [#33]Cryo right now only plays Yoru. If Yoru goes out of meta, then what does he play? He's only shown some promise on senti/smokes and you already have Zander/Bang who play senti/smokes. So you can only have 2 of Zander/Bang/Cryo.
I think you're forgetting about a certain Korean agent with knives
MentalSwmr [#35]You just helped out on why he was so great, he took 5 decent players and won lcq with them and best fnc
yes :) I love Sean gares
bobwoblob [#33]Cryo right now only plays Yoru. If Yoru goes out of meta, then what does he play? He's only shown some promise on senti/smokes and you already have Zander/Bang who play senti/smokes. So you can only have 2 of Zander/Bang/Cryo.
Cryo can play yoru, Jett, iso, flex to 2nd smokes.
nooomy [#25]Fuck bang we dont need the tilting on stage, 0 impact lurks, getting util out and dying stupidly cause of no awareness, no loyalty to the team that made his career even tho he shouldve been dropped after being shit in 2023, flashy mechanics merchant
Also fuck Asuna and Boostio, what type of moron do you have to be to convince your smokes player who just had a major resurgence to leave the team, actual perpetual losers man
MentalSwmr [#35]You just helped out on why he was so great, he took 5 decent players and won lcq with them and best fnc
Its so funny we are calling someone who won a single international game and proceeded to lose the rematch one of the best coaches of all time
nooomy [#39]Also fuck Asuna and Boostio, what type of moron do you have to be to convince your smokes player who just had a major resurgence to leave the team, actual perpetual losers man
They didn’t convince him but like if you good friend got an offer to make more money and grow your brand off of the massive Sen fanbase you’d tell him to do it
MentalSwmr [#41]They didn’t convince him but like if you good friend got an offer to make more money and grow your brand off of the massive Sen fanbase you’d tell him to do it
and now those same SEN fans are spamming for him to get dropped whenever they lose, fantastic brand growth from him I must say
Also bang himself said it was very 50/50 and it took multiple days where he couldnt make the decision, but Asuna and Boostio were a big reason why he leaned over to SEN
nooomy [#42]and now those same SEN fans are spamming for him to get dropped whenever they lose, fantastic brand growth from him I must say
Also bang himself said it was very 50/50 and it took multiple days where he couldnt make the decision, but Asuna and Boostio were a big reason why he leaned over to SEN
bang should get dropped not because he isn't a good player but he's just not what we need
bang is VERY GOOD at anchoring and playing defensively on site and locking an area down, but we need someone who can be agressive with zekken so that he doesn't just go die alone while going in, which is what is happening rn. If bang joined 100t back I'd be happy because they need someone who fits his style of play that kess does but better
c4rrotstix [#43]bang should get dropped not because he isn't a good player but he's just not what we need
bang is VERY GOOD at anchoring and playing defensively on site and locking an area down, but we need someone who can be agressive with zekken so that he doesn't just go die alone while going in, which is what is happening rn. If bang joined 100t back I'd be happy because they need someone who fits his style of play that kess does but better
nah we good
Cryo senti clears but if not then there are plenty of players out there who are just as good that wont snake us the first chance they get
Guys ima be hoenst i only started watching all the 100T game this year or started watching val esports this year. In my honest opinion I doubt we should bring back bang. There really isn't any point because he is the one who left us. For all the Asuna haters I doubt there is a better t2 player who can do the shit he does and though yes he is inconsistent I personally think he is good a solid amount of the time. I genuinely hate the fact that people always keep mentioning that he has some dirt on Nadeshot or some shit. Also its there is no point in Cryo leaving because well in our perspective he is the most consistent player for us and our MVP and in his perspective where would he go, he would not leave Americas and it might need to be a team with another entry duelist because he is not an entry duelist so Asuna going in and being inconsistent might be bad but he'll be there as the secondary duelist.
I don't know much about Sean Gares besides him winning LCQ but the one thing I know is that between him and Zikz he is clearly the better choice. I know he has won like one trophy but its better to try getting him with us for like an year and see where it takes us. Plus I doubt there is any better coaches we can even go for.
Xeno_7 [#45]Guys ima be hoenst i only started watching all the 100T game this year or started watching val esports this year. In my honest opinion I doubt we should bring back bang. There really isn't any point because he is the one who left us. For all the Asuna haters I doubt there is a better t2 player who can do the shit he does and though yes he is inconsistent I personally think he is good a solid amount of the time. I genuinely hate the fact that people always keep mentioning that he has some dirt on Nadeshot or some shit. Also its there is no point in Cryo leaving because well in our perspective he is the most consistent player for us and our MVP and in his perspective where would he go, he would not leave Americas and it might need to be a team with another entry duelist because he is not an entry duelist so Asuna going in and being inconsistent might be bad but he'll be there as the secondary duelist.
I don't know much about Sean Gares besides him winning LCQ but the one thing I know is that between him and Zikz he is clearly the better choice. I know he has won like one trophy but its better to try getting him with us for like an year and see where it takes us. Plus I doubt there is any better coaches we can even go for.
All I'm going to say is that we retain this roster of Asuna, Cryo, Eeiu, Zander, and either get Kess more practice on Senti or get another Senti but I would like feel bad for Kess to leave us.
As for the Coach situation, bring back Sean in my opinion.
Xeno_7 [#45]Guys ima be hoenst i only started watching all the 100T game this year or started watching val esports this year. In my honest opinion I doubt we should bring back bang. There really isn't any point because he is the one who left us. For all the Asuna haters I doubt there is a better t2 player who can do the shit he does and though yes he is inconsistent I personally think he is good a solid amount of the time. I genuinely hate the fact that people always keep mentioning that he has some dirt on Nadeshot or some shit. Also its there is no point in Cryo leaving because well in our perspective he is the most consistent player for us and our MVP and in his perspective where would he go, he would not leave Americas and it might need to be a team with another entry duelist because he is not an entry duelist so Asuna going in and being inconsistent might be bad but he'll be there as the secondary duelist.
I don't know much about Sean Gares besides him winning LCQ but the one thing I know is that between him and Zikz he is clearly the better choice. I know he has won like one trophy but its better to try getting him with us for like an year and see where it takes us. Plus I doubt there is any better coaches we can even go for.
You’re right on most of your opinion I agree with you a lot. But Sean gares is gone from coaching and even gone from valorant. They need to look elsewhere for a coach
Dymerr [#6]they got bounced first round in champs and he didnt build a good team it was a insanely weak Americas league with the guard being the only semi good team in that last chance qualifiers. The best thing sean did was pick up bang.
the fact we could've had bang and skuba in the same team :///// but someone cough cough didn't dish the money for both.
MentalSwmr [#47]You’re right on most of your opinion I agree with you a lot. But Sean gares is gone from coaching and even gone from valorant. They need to look elsewhere for a coach
They can't like change his mind to get him unretired or something?
If not then do you have anyone in mind because the only one in my mind might be Potter but besides that I don't know. This whole year I have been learning about 100T and other teams that I don't really know much about the coaches.
Xeno_7 [#45]Guys ima be hoenst i only started watching all the 100T game this year or started watching val esports this year. In my honest opinion I doubt we should bring back bang. There really isn't any point because he is the one who left us. For all the Asuna haters I doubt there is a better t2 player who can do the shit he does and though yes he is inconsistent I personally think he is good a solid amount of the time. I genuinely hate the fact that people always keep mentioning that he has some dirt on Nadeshot or some shit. Also its there is no point in Cryo leaving because well in our perspective he is the most consistent player for us and our MVP and in his perspective where would he go, he would not leave Americas and it might need to be a team with another entry duelist because he is not an entry duelist so Asuna going in and being inconsistent might be bad but he'll be there as the secondary duelist.
I don't know much about Sean Gares besides him winning LCQ but the one thing I know is that between him and Zikz he is clearly the better choice. I know he has won like one trophy but its better to try getting him with us for like an year and see where it takes us. Plus I doubt there is any better coaches we can even go for.
why keep Asuna when Okeanos is there and is better mechanically, plays more agents, isnt complacent and wont convince our best players to leave for SEN?
SAMPV6 [#15]Sean is one of the best coaches that Valorant has seen lol
Seans biggest highlight of his career is going to overtime vs Drx. That guy is the MOST OVERRATED coach of all time
nooomy [#51]why keep Asuna when Okeanos is there and is better mechanically, plays more agents, isnt complacent and wont convince our best players to leave for SEN?
I think you're getting the wrong idea about Asuna and Boostio convincing bang to go to SEN. It was bang's decision and behind the scenes they might be sad but I doubt they told Bang to go to SEN. Okeanos might be good mechanically and I did hear he was a duelist in the past but he mainly plays raze and jett, its like replacing one duelist with another who is good. Sure he might be good mechanically and most importantly consistent which is why you're suggesting him.
But why would we replace the guy who's been on the team the longest and been a really good hype man. Asuna is also really good mechanically after all. We just need a better senti or get Kess more prac time on senti and a better coach.
Also the most important thing is the synergy Asuna has build with the rest.
nooomy [#42]and now those same SEN fans are spamming for him to get dropped whenever they lose, fantastic brand growth from him I must say
Also bang himself said it was very 50/50 and it took multiple days where he couldnt make the decision, but Asuna and Boostio were a big reason why he leaned over to SEN
that's called being a good friend. sen is a better team, always has been. and i'm relatively confident they pay significantly more. it allows him to further his career while making more money. if you don't push your friend to go for that decision, you are a bad friend.
Xeno_7 [#53]I think you're getting the wrong idea about Asuna and Boostio convincing bang to go to SEN. It was bang's decision and behind the scenes they might be sad but I doubt they told Bang to go to SEN. Okeanos might be good mechanically and I did hear he was a duelist in the past but he mainly plays raze and jett, its like replacing one duelist with another who is good. Sure he might be good mechanically and most importantly consistent which is why you're suggesting him.
But why would we replace the guy who's been on the team the longest and been a really good hype man. Asuna is also really good mechanically after all. We just need a better senti or get Kess more prac time on senti and a better coach.
Also the most important thing is the synergy Asuna has build with the rest.
"why would we get rid of the guy who has been there every time we have fallen short of expectations"
- the last time Asuna had a positive KD in a series which eliminated us from an event was Stage 2 2022 vs Faze Clan
- Asunas aim is not good. He keeps up because he is a decently smart player with good movement and conditioning, but in games vs G2 and SEN we are routinely outclassed mechanically.
- Okeanos plays much more than duelist. One look at his vlr page shows he averages a 1.0 rating or higher on chamber, sova, breach, omen, tejo, fade, viper, skye and brim. Yes the strength of competition may vary but it shows a willingness to play the agents and a decent amount of talent to play that variety of agents well.
- Asuna is 100Ts "flex" but does not play any controller or sentinel well. Even when the meta was double controller in 2023, 100T chose to put Derrek on sentinel instead, which showcases Asunas inability to play any other roles.
the only way for 100T to rebuild properly is by having a cohesive team structure with defined roles that help them adapt into metas. To do this, they need to look at each player and give them an actual role within the team that they can stick to and that suits their playstyle/aim style. This means keeping eeiu and Zander as they are, moving Cryo to sentinel because his movement is not good enough to play raze or neon, and then picking up somebody who is an actual flex (cough Okeanos cough) and someone who can play duelist to a high level (of which there are 2 currently in NA tier 2, in Timotino and Alym)
Acethyr [#54]that's called being a good friend. sen is a better team, always has been. and i'm relatively confident they pay significantly more. it allows him to further his career while making more money. if you don't push your friend to go for that decision, you are a bad friend.
SEN is a better team cause we have willingly employed multiple deadweight for the past few years
nooomy [#56]SEN is a better team cause we have willingly employed multiple deadweight for the past few years
youre a creature filled with far too much hatred
Acethyr [#57]youre a creature filled with far too much hatred
its not hatred, I dont wish any ill will to these guys in their real lives and I hope they have prosperous careers away from 100T.
They just arent good enough at their job to warrant being here for as long as they have
nooomy [#58]its not hatred, I dont wish any ill will to these guys in their real lives and I hope they have prosperous careers away from 100T.
They just arent good enough at their job to warrant being here for as long as they have
i promise you if they got someone like alym to replace asuna, all that would happen is alym's career would be ruined, lol. the team is quite literally career death because they refuse to fix their coaching issues and have zikz signed as hc till end of 2027. (could change, but i doubt it)
team will forever be garbage if they refuse to fix their horrible teamplay. player changes will fix nothing and at most will be temporary bandaids.
nooomy [#55]"why would we get rid of the guy who has been there every time we have fallen short of expectations"
- the last time Asuna had a positive KD in a series which eliminated us from an event was Stage 2 2022 vs Faze Clan
- Asunas aim is not good. He keeps up because he is a decently smart player with good movement and conditioning, but in games vs G2 and SEN we are routinely outclassed mechanically.
- Okeanos plays much more than duelist. One look at his vlr page shows he averages a 1.0 rating or higher on chamber, sova, breach, omen, tejo, fade, viper, skye and brim. Yes the strength of competition may vary but it shows a willingness to play the agents and a decent amount of talent to play that variety of agents well.
- Asuna is 100Ts "flex" but does not play any controller or sentinel well. Even when the meta was double controller in 2023, 100T chose to put Derrek on sentinel instead, which showcases Asunas inability to play any other roles.
the only way for 100T to rebuild properly is by having a cohesive team structure with defined roles that help them adapt into metas. To do this, they need to look at each player and give them an actual role within the team that they can stick to and that suits their playstyle/aim style. This means keeping eeiu and Zander as they are, moving Cryo to sentinel because his movement is not good enough to play raze or neon, and then picking up somebody who is an actual flex (cough Okeanos cough) and someone who can play duelist to a high level (of which there are 2 currently in NA tier 2, in Timotino and Alym)
Okay yea you seem to know a lot more than me. Maybe it is my emotional ties to Asuna being in 100T for a long time but I still would pick Asuna over Okeanos.
- Maybe I am not reading it right but in regards to your first point didn't Asuna have a positive KD against KRU in stage 2 this year back in group stages.
- Asuna is really mechanically talented so I don't understand what you mean when you say his aim is not good.
- Okeanos might play more than Asuna but here is the thing, Asuna can play Kayo, Skye, and Gecko. The only initators he's not played are breach are the the recon initators but Eeiu already has that covered.
- Asuna can can play omen if he needs to along with 3 flash initators plus Neon, Raze and Yoru. As long as he plays omen who is versatile he can do a decent job with the double controller meta now along with zander. Might not be the harbor viper combo but it should work out.
Yea that final paragraph I can't really say much about it like I said due to my lack of knowledge. One thing I can say though is Asuna pours his heart out in every game and is ready to change based on the meta or at the very least tries. He is also the only hype guy on our team rn.
Acethyr [#59]i promise you if they got someone like alym to replace asuna, all that would happen is alym's career would be ruined, lol. the team is quite literally career death because they refuse to fix their coaching issues and have zikz signed as hc till end of 2027. (could change, but i doubt it)
team will forever be garbage if they refuse to fix their horrible teamplay. player changes will fix nothing and at most will be temporary bandaids.
Im not pro-Zikz either, I am very vocal about Asuna, Zikz and Kess needing to go this offseason with them moving Cryo to senti.
But two things can be true at once, Zikz hasnt always been Asunas coach, and he hasnt shown an international-winning level under any coach except maybe 2021
MentalSwmr [#38]Cryo can play yoru, Jett, iso, flex to 2nd smokes.
can't flex to 2nd smokes when bang and zander are on the team unless it's a double controller comp
nooomy [#55]"why would we get rid of the guy who has been there every time we have fallen short of expectations"
- the last time Asuna had a positive KD in a series which eliminated us from an event was Stage 2 2022 vs Faze Clan
- Asunas aim is not good. He keeps up because he is a decently smart player with good movement and conditioning, but in games vs G2 and SEN we are routinely outclassed mechanically.
- Okeanos plays much more than duelist. One look at his vlr page shows he averages a 1.0 rating or higher on chamber, sova, breach, omen, tejo, fade, viper, skye and brim. Yes the strength of competition may vary but it shows a willingness to play the agents and a decent amount of talent to play that variety of agents well.
- Asuna is 100Ts "flex" but does not play any controller or sentinel well. Even when the meta was double controller in 2023, 100T chose to put Derrek on sentinel instead, which showcases Asunas inability to play any other roles.
the only way for 100T to rebuild properly is by having a cohesive team structure with defined roles that help them adapt into metas. To do this, they need to look at each player and give them an actual role within the team that they can stick to and that suits their playstyle/aim style. This means keeping eeiu and Zander as they are, moving Cryo to sentinel because his movement is not good enough to play raze or neon, and then picking up somebody who is an actual flex (cough Okeanos cough) and someone who can play duelist to a high level (of which there are 2 currently in NA tier 2, in Timotino and Alym)
i actually don't know where you're getting this "doesnt play sentinel or controller well" from. he has played omen and thats it, which didnt look bad at all, just passable which is perfectly fine considering, you know, he hasnt played that role. and as for sentinel, ?.. he has just not played the role. derrek playing sentinel over asuna means absolutely nothing. perhaps they thought derrek was better suited for that because he's an initiator player so he'll naturally be more passive. whatever it was, it has nothing to do with whether or not asuna can play the role.
also, cryo himself also looked extremely average on sentinel when he played it. he doesn't understand timings or anything, he just shoots. do i still want him on sentinel? yeah. but the fact that youre letting that slide but trying to say asuna cant play the roles he could on flex is kinda funny. just the bias showing again. nonetheless, i think both should stay and kess should be dropped for an actual duelist with an actual coach.
nooomy [#61]Im not pro-Zikz either, I am very vocal about Asuna, Zikz and Kess needing to go this offseason with them moving Cryo to senti.
But two things can be true at once, Zikz hasnt always been Asunas coach, and he hasnt shown an international-winning level under any coach except maybe 2021
i mean, if you feel that way and i cant change your mind so be it. but asuna has consistently proven that he has it in him to be a tournament winning level player. he looked good in 2021, 2022 (besides champs but that was like 3 matches and the team was unlucky), and he was one of the biggest reasons for their run to shanghai in 2024. even in 2025, i doubt they wouldve made playoffs if asuna didnt hard carry them in some games lol.
i can give you 2023, he definitely didnt look good that year, but the whole team looked under average so, that's that.
zikz hasnt always been asuna's coach you're right. but when he wasn't his coach, asuna looked considerably more comfortable on his role, and he was actually being used properly as a player.
you have to understand that right now he's quite literally the bait that's tossed out so cryo can capitalize off his death. and i promise you he has insane talent for flex. he is naturally really good with abilities.
Xeno_7 [#60]Okay yea you seem to know a lot more than me. Maybe it is my emotional ties to Asuna being in 100T for a long time but I still would pick Asuna over Okeanos.
- Maybe I am not reading it right but in regards to your first point didn't Asuna have a positive KD against KRU in stage 2 this year back in group stages.
- Asuna is really mechanically talented so I don't understand what you mean when you say his aim is not good.
- Okeanos might play more than Asuna but here is the thing, Asuna can play Kayo, Skye, and Gecko. The only initators he's not played are breach are the the recon initators but Eeiu already has that covered.
- Asuna can can play omen if he needs to along with 3 flash initators plus Neon, Raze and Yoru. As long as he plays omen who is versatile he can do a decent job with the double controller meta now along with zander. Might not be the harbor viper combo but it should work out.
Yea that final paragraph I can't really say much about it like I said due to my lack of knowledge. One thing I can say though is Asuna pours his heart out in every game and is ready to change based on the meta or at the very least tries. He is also the only hype guy on our team rn.
for the first point, every time 100T has played a series that has lead to their elimination, Asuna has gone negative. He has not been the guy to put up a good performance when 100T need him most in years.
Asuna has great movement but when you compare his aim to other professionals, its really not where it needs to be if 100T want to compete. Look at the best teams this year, does Asuna have the mechanics to compete with those guys? he doesnt, and this is shown in any performance he's had vs G2, SEN this year and last (with the exception of stage 2 playoffs vs SEN last year, he played very well in that series)
Ultimately you and most other 100T fans view Asuna with rose-tinted glasses because he has been on the team for so long. I get it, he was the poster boy for them back in 2021 when he was breaking onto the scene. He did all the streams, was NAs most popular player other than TenZ, but the reality is that 100T will never consistently compete for internationals with him, and the longer time goes on the more I'll be proven right in saying that.
If you wanna watch 100T with Asuna lose when it matters most then fair enough, maybe I chose the wrong team if I wanted to watch winning instead of watching the Asuna fanclub, but Asuna will never be a winning player in VCT globally and I'm standing by that
nooomy [#65]for the first point, every time 100T has played a series that has lead to their elimination, Asuna has gone negative. He has not been the guy to put up a good performance when 100T need him most in years.
Asuna has great movement but when you compare his aim to other professionals, its really not where it needs to be if 100T want to compete. Look at the best teams this year, does Asuna have the mechanics to compete with those guys? he doesnt, and this is shown in any performance he's had vs G2, SEN this year and last (with the exception of stage 2 playoffs vs SEN last year, he played very well in that series)
Ultimately you and most other 100T fans view Asuna with rose-tinted glasses because he has been on the team for so long. I get it, he was the poster boy for them back in 2021 when he was breaking onto the scene. He did all the streams, was NAs most popular player other than TenZ, but the reality is that 100T will never consistently compete for internationals with him, and the longer time goes on the more I'll be proven right in saying that.
If you wanna watch 100T with Asuna lose when it matters most then fair enough, maybe I chose the wrong team if I wanted to watch winning instead of watching the Asuna fanclub, but Asuna will never be a winning player in VCT globally and I'm standing by that
Alright then by all means. For the record I am not in the Asuna fanclub, I'm just a guy who doesn't see him the way you do. If you think you chose the wrong team then that's your problem and maybe you might be right but I really doubt that Asuna is the problem.
Xeno_7 [#66]Alright then by all means. For the record I am not in the Asuna fanclub, I'm just a guy who doesn't see him the way you do. If you think you chose the wrong team then that's your problem and maybe you might be right but I really doubt that Asuna is the problem.
he's not the problem. the nooomy guy just refuses to listen to reason and continues to hate on asuna likely because he heard fns making fun of him as a joke.
bobwoblob [#62]can't flex to 2nd smokes when bang and zander are on the team unless it's a double controller comp
the whole point of 2nd smokes is that it's a double smokes comp
MrBlooBloom [#68]the whole point of 2nd smokes is that it's a double smokes comp
Ok so what are you going to do with a traditional double initiator comp that doesn't have Yoru? That's a big negative if you can't run that archetype.
bobwoblob [#69]Ok so what are you going to do with a traditional double initiator comp that doesn't have Yoru? That's a big negative if you can't run that archetype.
well it's not like double init is any good at the moment so...
Acethyr [#64]i mean, if you feel that way and i cant change your mind so be it. but asuna has consistently proven that he has it in him to be a tournament winning level player. he looked good in 2021, 2022 (besides champs but that was like 3 matches and the team was unlucky), and he was one of the biggest reasons for their run to shanghai in 2024. even in 2025, i doubt they wouldve made playoffs if asuna didnt hard carry them in some games lol.
i can give you 2023, he definitely didnt look good that year, but the whole team looked under average so, that's that.
zikz hasnt always been asuna's coach you're right. but when he wasn't his coach, asuna looked considerably more comfortable on his role, and he was actually being used properly as a player.
you have to understand that right now he's quite literally the bait that's tossed out so cryo can capitalize off his death. and i promise you he has insane talent for flex. he is naturally really good with abilities.
Crazy how we had this conversation 2 hours ago and then all the guys I mention + Zander post LFT tweets, life is strange huh
nooomy [#71]Crazy how we had this conversation 2 hours ago and then all the guys I mention + Zander post LFT tweets, life is strange huh
what's your point? i've said time and time again i hope asuna gets dropped so he finds a better team lol
Acethyr [#72]what's your point? i've said time and time again i hope asuna gets dropped so he finds a better team lol
no point, its just silly timing is all
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