Fair Ruling | VLR.gg

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AcidRain

im going to give some reasons as to why this ruling was indeed fair. If you can validly critique any of these points, ill humbly admit my mistake.

VK blatantly used a known exploit that 2 other teams were punished for previously.
If riot hadnt taken action against them it would show bias towards the Brazilian region when X10 and Giants from other regions have been more severely punished.
Even if a bug exists and doesnt get patched by riot it does jot give players the right to abuse it.
If the same thing happened from another region (ie. Sentinels) using the same exploit against FURIA, brazillian fans would have most likely sent death threats and demanded a disqualification or an immediate match forfeit from the opposing team.
Riot did not stop the match. Read competitive ruling as to why this is the case. The camera was not blatant enough to be caught and no member of Acend reported it so they could not pause the match mid game.
Vivo Keyd are frankly lucky they did not recieve a further punishment (ie. disqualification) because of the exploitation of a known bug.
Riot devs did what they saw fit under their time constraints. Their game, their rules. Play by them or face them as the judge.
. I am not being racist because I disagree with you. I do not appreciate harrasment or death threats in my PMs.

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Man I disagree with point 5.

They must did stop the match. It was a CLEAR image of the camera and he using that, so if it was CLEAR illegal like u said in point 1, then RIOT would take a action and stop the match.

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according to the rulebook provided before the tournament began, a match cannot be paused or terminated in the event of an exploit unless it is blatant (ie. glitched viper ults), or an opposing player reports it. I believe Acend players were not aware of the cam being used because it was hidden behind a piece of marieral on the map so they could not/would not report it. and I was watching the match and did not catch the bug, so there could be a possibility it was not blatant enough for Riot Admins to catch

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You’re hole argument would be perfect if they didn’t had stopped it yesterday in Furias game

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AcidRain

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FURIAs game was paused because Riot was able to catch it. As well as the fact that they didnt even get punished via round loss for an boost exploit

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Was able to catch it and then realize it wasn’t a bug and keep the game going? The problem was yesterday’s decision, not today’s

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AcidRain

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they were discussing whether or not it was a bug or not. speaking within multiple admins takes time, and FURIAs own fault for halting their own momentum through attempt at an advantage

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But if the rule is they only stop it if it’s very clear why tf you stop if you are not sure??

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I'm guessing someone reported it on the opposing team? not sure

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Man it's exactly the point. Riot did a mistake in FUR and SEN and they're paying for this today.

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do u wanna watch losers vs winners? mE no acned lost idc reply the map so i can feel its winners vs winners

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AcidRain

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While I do believe VK could have beaten Acend without the camera exploit, it is an exploit nonetheless and it must be punished accordingly, especially if it is one that has been used before and punished for before. I respect your opinion though but please dont let your emotions cloud your judgement

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im eu bruh i really dont wanna watch team that just lost vs team that just won

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AcidRain

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I understand that but winning while using an unfair advantage, however insignificant it may be is not fair to any one involved.

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kinda cringe you down frag me and upfrag your own comment ''i respect your opinion'' get yo hatin br ass outta here

how giving free 7 round is fair

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AcidRain

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you may feel however you want. giving free rounds is better than getting disqualified for an exploit on the world stage LAN.

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saying "we did it in the past so let's do it again" is awful logic especially considering the events where those matches took place were not nearly as high stakes and as prestigious as champions. if a team in a random NA open qualifier got disqualified by riot for some absurd reason should we use that case as precedence moving forward in all riot events? of course not. it's legit just better for competition to replay the map at 12-9 for acend

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VK used it on multiple rounds. replaying the map may not be an option due to extreme time restrictions and covid protocols they have to follow at LAN. giving BR a pass is bias, favoritism and nor i say blatant racism towards X10 and vgia

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this literally addresses none of my points lmfao, i never said keyd didnt use it in multiple rounds, in fact thats the reason i said it should start 12-9 for ACEND. also your last point about changing how you enforce the rules is "bias" is literally just regurgitating the point i was critiquing in the first place and completely ignores how i just outlined how its a dumb way of approaching rulings in esports

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U idiot why you said that they need to replay in 12-9 when VK used it multiple times u can't replay in 12-9 when they use the bug is not started in that rounds

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are you braindead? did you just not read the article????
"The six (6) rounds where the camera exploit was used will be forfeited by Team Vivo Keyd and granted to Team Acend, resulting in an adjusted score of Acend 12, Vivo Keyd 9. "

the extra round was only given to them for "economic reasons"

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sadly its true

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Then why give free 1 round?

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Quote from the ruling: "To account for the economic impact of the six (6) forfeited rounds on the subsequent rounds in the map, Acend will be additionally awarded one (1) round."

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AcidRain

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they used the exploit on multiple rounds not just one.

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cant even imagine how using exploit and getting punishment for it is considered to be 'controversial'??

do BR think they can just play by a different rule book?

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Must be a new strand of copium they're inhaling. That shit lookin dangerous for the mental.

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I don’t really agree with 5 because like you say this is a known bug, probably the single most known bug on the map right now. After seeing the speed at which they rotated and the minimap, I find it hard to believe they somehow missed this. Not saying vk is entirely in the clear, but riot definitely screwed up big time by not warning earlier.

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AcidRain

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this is true, this is definitely a riot error but unfortunately they are also humans and make mistakes and I believe they came to a valid compromise

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why didnt they just stopped the round like they did in Furia Vs Sen and repeat it

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AcidRain

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it happened multiple times and might not have been caught by riot immediately. to replay the match entirely would destroy riot time constaints and cause too much hassle to set up a LAN to play a few rounds

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This is the counter to all that:

https://twitter.com/jammyzx/status/1466966813410045955

12-8, xand uses the "jump" on Haven and the match gets paused next round for 30 min for Riot to discuss if this is a bug or not. BUT atleast they can use the excuse of "following the rule" (in the tweet) because they paused ASAP.

But they can't really use that as an excuse when this video makes them look like a clown for not taking actions at all:
https://youtu.be/5nU0XGTMSB0

Also...as you can see in 2nd tweet (photo) the cam was used at the very least in 4-9 round but they DIDN'T stop the match then and there.

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they shouldn't take action for the jett jump, all teams agree that it's not an exploit. rito held up furia because they are dumb.

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What about nAts swoop peeking with viper? Isn't that an exploit?

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"well known" if it is so well known why does riot have to look it up

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AcidRain

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they.. they didnt. they might have looked it up to crossreference. its a bug that 2 teams have personally been punished for by riot before this? they wont let shit like this fly on an international stage.

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According to Murizz, this bug wasn't listed on Riot prohibited bugs/exploits. Which could explain the reason why no referee stopped any of the 6 rounds which the exploit was used. Adding this to Riot giving one extra round for "economic purposes", leads me to believe that Riot fucked up on not updating their exploit book and they prefer to fuck VK instead of acknowledge their mistake

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That doesn't make sense as it was listed in the prohibited bugs/exploits in all regions as giants and X10 have both been punished for it previously.

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I don't know the truthfullness of Murriz declaration. I've just tried to make my best logical guess assuming this information. Perhaps they removed it from the list assuming it was corrected or the editor simply made a mistake. I don't know

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Yeah, I'm not sure, who knows maybe they accidentally removed it. It just doesn't make sense to me when they said that they had no idea about it when it has happened on two other occasions, the chances are very slim that no one on Vivo Keyd or Jhow himself didn't know about it. I get it's upsetting as VK is probably Brazil's best team and they have the highest chances out of all of them to make it to the finals or even win.

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I've also read on twitter that this book is poorly updated by riot, so who knows. However, it would be a hell of a storyline if VK wins the tournament now, considering that they can't lost a series by now