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Viper Haven

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#1
GambleNats

Can someone give me a run thorugh on the strengths and weaknesses of viper on haven,
and how I should be looking to counter it, bonus if you can give me a vod I cant anti against viper haven

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baroque
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i wish i could but i'm unironically ass at vod review sorry

good luck

#3
baroque
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just a surface level guess but viper haven implies second controller which means you are either playing solo initiator or no sentinel

so i guess think of ways to play around those weaknesses (less info from initiators and stuff like kj turret/cypher cam)

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baroque
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also find some way to counter the A lurk wall by pushing early or some form of info there, like cypher cam or sova dart

#5
Tempest24
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I mean I'm bronze do you want my input?

#6
GambleNats
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any and all input is appreicaited

#9
Tempest24
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watch munchkin
he is very good on attack especially on a when he threatens a cross so cts invest more util into trying to root him out
same can be said for front b

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Tempest24
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I feel like anything more i try to say is common knowledge/sense

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poweredjay
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Viper on haven makes your defaults a lot better on tside (wall cuts info on A) and makes your postplants better if you can get in the site and plant with viper orb CT + molly the retake becomes super hard (viper ult compounds on this strength)
Defensively viper allows for floods to happen a lot easier with the smoke on A / wall C and also helps continuously stall throughout a round by way of reusing fuel

The downsides is that viper makes your Tside a lot less explosive since you usually give up your breach to play viper (flashless comp/solo init is hard to exec fast with), you basically have to default well every round
Same thing on ct, full set retakes are a lot weaker because you no longer have a breach who can get you back in the dite, the viper comp relies a lot on good map reads and flooding if you can’f defend the site

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GambleNats
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oh thats great info thanks

#11
H3ENnZ
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On attack viper A presence scares the defenders a bunch and they have to push out of sewers or they have to commit at least 2 players on A
But teams used to run a skye with the viper comp but skye is dogshit

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