I don't want to be that person but atp CS is in a better state as a game and an esport than Valorant, no?
lmao
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mrbloombloom [#2]as a game no, as an esport it always has been
the state of both CS and Valorant are both shit, it's just who pisses off the community more
if youre playing faceit, yes it is much better by miles, esp with a friend but if you play using internal anticheat its absolute hell, i have prime b4 any1 calls that out
CS will forever be better in game and in esports.
Leo faria ruined val esports.
derptz [#5]CS will forever be better in game and in esports.
Leo faria ruined val esports.
I'm sorry, but how is Leo Faria going to be blamed after all of this???? He isn't the one who appointed the NA Tier 2 tournament organizers, nor was he the one who hired the employee who was letting players cheat.
ur just hating at him bc he's the usual scapegoat.
respectfully, fuck off.
The cs esports scene has always been one of the best amongst all games. But the game itself is mid 🫤 I still think csgo > cs2
delighted [#7]I'm sorry, but how is Leo Faria going to be blamed after all of this???? He isn't the one who appointed the NA Tier 2 tournament organizers, nor was he the one who hired the employee who was letting players cheat.
ur just hating at him bc he's the usual scapegoat.
respectfully, fuck off.
hes the head of esports tf you mean? he shares some responsibilities whether he directly controls it or not.
As someone who's been watching CS scene since 2017, CS right now is so much worse than what it used to be. faceit is the only playable server. e-sportal nd all others are 64 tick server which are disgustingly bad. also faceit has been getting infested with cheaters since the last 3 months. there's no security in the game anymore except if you're gambling or skin trading.
Esports has been pretty bad too cause there's just vitality and their fans winning while the rest of the orgs are in a slump. nikonesy to falcons, elige to faze. broky benched, rain washed, donk not showing his top form.
but hey atleast s1mple will play at the major
delighted [#7]I'm sorry, but how is Leo Faria going to be blamed after all of this???? He isn't the one who appointed the NA Tier 2 tournament organizers, nor was he the one who hired the employee who was letting players cheat.
ur just hating at him bc he's the usual scapegoat.
respectfully, fuck off.
whilst i agree it's a lopsided response cuz I'm sure it's not all on Faria, franchising being fucked up is responsible for like, half these problems.
delighted [#7]I'm sorry, but how is Leo Faria going to be blamed after all of this???? He isn't the one who appointed the NA Tier 2 tournament organizers, nor was he the one who hired the employee who was letting players cheat.
ur just hating at him bc he's the usual scapegoat.
respectfully, fuck off.
CS esports are far better imo, more teams, more events, bigger hype, has everything while val esports is so spread out and low hype,
leo gotta sort sm out somehow
NRGSUPERFAN [#9]hes the head of esports tf you mean? he shares some responsibilities whether he directly controls it or not.
that doesn't mean he should take full responsibility lmao
stop being brainwashed by those braindead casuals/valorant haters that constantly bash on him
delighted [#3]the state of both CS and Valorant are both shit, it's just who pisses off the community more
I'm not a rito advocate but if you think both games are in the same state you must not follow cs very closely
StyrofoamOne [#12]CS esports are far better imo, more teams, more events, bigger hype, has everything while val esports is so spread out and low hype,
leo gotta sort sm out somehow
Leo needs more competent employees, not even the smartest people can sort out a situation like what Valorant has now.
mrbloombloom [#14]I'm not a rito advocate but if you think both games are in the same state you must not follow cs very closely
woops, meant CS2 instead of just CS
mb
at least 50% of cs2 players on steam are either chinese bots or cheaters i dont think thats a sign of a healthy thriving game
delighted [#13]that doesn't mean he should take full responsibility lmao
stop being brainwashed by those braindead casuals/valorant haters that constantly bash on him
he should?
its also not only about the problems arising but the fact that some of these issues have been there for a while. these issues have been brought up in the past and the global head of esports hasnt done anything to solve them.
so yes he is responsible especially seeing that a lot of these issues started with franchising. sitting here and saying "well its the people he hired that is the problem" well guess who chooses to hire them?
vkex [#17]at least 50% of cs2 players on steam are either chinese bots or cheaters i dont think thats a sign of a healthy thriving game
so many people have been ranting that Riot prioritizes money instead of just simple features players want to have in the game, while some part of that is true, I still think complaints about the state of the game are pretty justified. So it's more or less at least the same level of unplayable or more unplayable than CS2
NRGSUPERFAN [#18]he should?
its also not only about the problems arising but the fact that some of these issues have been there for a while. these issues have been brought up in the past and the global head of esports hasnt done anything to solve them.
so yes he is responsible especially seeing that a lot of these issues started with franchising. sitting here and saying "well its the people he hired that is the problem" well guess who chooses to hire them?
my parents actually taught me a lesson, people ALWAYS hide their true motives.
you can't find them just by looking at a fucking resumé
delighted [#15]Leo needs more competent employees, not even the smartest people can sort out a situation like what Valorant has now.
well yeah then he needs to get on hiring them man, it's obviously not all his fault but he knows he's signed up to be the one getting shit for it cuz he's the public facing part. Unfortunately part of the job.
Effluxi [#21]well yeah then he needs to get on hiring them man, it's obviously not all his fault but he knows he's signed up to be the one getting shit for it cuz he's the public facing part. Unfortunately part of the job.
can't they just hire people who can somewhat do programming and knows about the issues of the game firsthand? They could do a fucking open application or something
delighted [#20]my parents actually taught me a lesson, people ALWAYS hide their true motives.
you can't find them just by looking at a fucking resumé
surely it doesnt take 2 fucking years to figure out that your employees are doing fuck all
NRGSUPERFAN [#23]surely it doesnt take 2 fucking years to figure out that your employees are doing fuck all
it might take less than or more than 2 years depending on how much and what is even happening inside those doors at Riot HQ
bc idfk, that's fs
delighted [#22]can't they just hire people who can somewhat do programming and knows about the issues of the game firsthand? They could do a fucking open application or something
It's never that simple and it'll be especially rough if riot is as stingy on salaries as everywhere else
Effluxi [#25]It's never that simple and it'll be especially rough if riot is as stingy on salaries as everywhere else
hoping Riot actually sort this out, this will get out of hand if more drama continues until Masters Toronto starts
vkex [#17]at least 50% of cs2 players on steam are either chinese bots or cheaters i dont think thats a sign of a healthy thriving game
with faceit its much better than valorant, you get real life teammates who comm and have teamplay. obviously cs has a very bad racism and sexism problem regardless but i find that valorant has the worst trolling problem and worst teammates out of any game
kotchan [#27]both are shit crossfire #1
overwatch is starting to get better ngl, but I have zero knowledge of it
as an esports - 1000% CS is better than Val, and Riot have no chance now to change it with their politics
I mean if you like seeing the same 8 teams compete each other for the entire year than sure
StyrofoamOne [#29]with faceit its much better than valorant, you get real life teammates who comm and have teamplay. obviously cs has a very bad racism and sexism problem regardless but i find that valorant has the worst trolling problem and worst teammates out of any game
thats 100% on riot, theres hardly any incentive to do well on ranked because 1. everyone gets shitty rewards in the end regardless if you try your best or not 2. almost nonexistent punishment for trolling/griefing/flaming, also toxic community breeds even more toxic people etc
like at least in league you get a new skin and chromas, back in the good ol days you could even get a jacket for reaching challenger. all you get in valorant is a fucking gun buddy lol
like all these problems valorant currently has are all so fixable, if they cant think of solutions then might as well copy what faceit is doing
delighted [#16]woops, meant CS2 instead of just CS
mb
?cs2 is the only ongoing cs game what are u even talking about
mrbloombloom [#35]?cs2 is the only ongoing cs game what are u even talking about
ok yeah maybe I don't follow the game very closely
delighted [#33]atp = at this point
No my question is at what point would you say it was better? As a game its debatable i Guess, as an esport, deffo not
LocoMonteiro [#37]No my question is at what point would you say it was better? As a game its debatable i Guess, as an esport, deffo not
the state of Valorant as a game is still better than CS2, but not by a lot
StyrofoamOne [#29]with faceit its much better than valorant, you get real life teammates who comm and have teamplay. obviously cs has a very bad racism and sexism problem regardless but i find that valorant has the worst trolling problem and worst teammates out of any game
I hate for racism and sexism otherwise I enjoy the game but it runs so terrible on my system compared to csgo
AapKon [#32]I mean if you like seeing the same 8 teams compete each other for the entire year than sure
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you're on top of the meta, you deserve to make playoffs every time you play an S tier event. Valorant is just so rng in that regard that it almost feels non-rewarding as a competition. I don't really mind having a pool of the same 6-8 teams making playoffs in a year. Roster changes and downfalls/uprisings will probably replace 3-4 of them by the next year anyway. In Val you can take Masters and fall into irrelevancy within the next 3 months.
As an esport 10000% and I don't think this will ever change. As a game, it highly depends. If you go by faceit I could give you that, but faceit is a third party so can you really consider it? If you go by official servers one on one Val is way ahead. Valve is taking the piss.
CS is much better in term of sports integrity. Valorant rn look like clown show control by Riot.
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