why is berlin format bad?

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memed

i don't understand why its bad. i think it helps regions compete with each other and that's what berlin is all about.

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KiwisAreAwesome

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i think most people dont like the single elim to figure out the winner
but champions will probably fix that since its the final final tournament of the VCT

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Champions will be single elim. Every major tournament is single elim. Masters should be double elim (due to it being basically a qualifier) snd champions single elim

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Agreed

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Single elimination playoffs isn't the issue here. The issue is groups have only one team from each 4 groups make it out. This would be easily solved if they just had 2 teams from each group make out and just add a quarterfinals to the playoffs.

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that too ^^^^

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GhostCat

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I can see why people don't care for that, but overall I don't think its that big a deal. Would've been nice if 2 teams made it out though.

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People argue, that instead of group finals, there should be an 8 team single elim bracket with two teams qualifying from all groups. This means there is more possibility with interplay between groups, so more exposure.

The counterargument is, that the scheduling would not allow it reasonably.

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This is not true, if they turn the current group final into the quarterfinals for the playoff bracket its still the exact same number of sets with 2 teams coming out of groups now

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ArgieGR8ArgieB8ArgieM8

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read: https://www.vlr.gg/post/194944/riot-please-fix-the-bracket

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redlotus

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I would honestly prefer the solution seen right under that where the groups don’t always match up , but I guess riot wants 3 bo3 from 1 group each day

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PrTsty

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Huge rematch potential, less diversity in unique matches

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redlotus

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You can go 2-1 in a DOUBLE ELIM bracket in groups and not make it out of groups. Aside from the 4 team single elim playoffs it just doesnt even mathematically make sense lmao

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And team can go 2 0 in groups and then lose in quarterfinals, same shit

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redlotus

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Yes but that team will most likely be reseeded and play a new team in the quarterfinals instead of losing to the same person in a group twice or beating then once and losing once. Your scenario atleast creates a new match up

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That's not really a bad thing tho.

A "rematch" could end up being a more interesting storyline than a new matchup.

A little repetition is actually good for the tournament.

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redlotus

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I dont agree, I don’t want to see 16 teams rematch each other until there is 4 left. It just kinda feels less like a meeting of the international masters and seeing different team styles clash

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Only one team coming out of group with 4 teams from different region. And we've 4 EMEA and 3 NA teams, so 3 groups will be basically EMEA vs NA with no chance for others (I'm sorry, but I don't think smb besides Vision Strikers could complete against EMEA and NA) and other group will be probably VS vs some EMEA team. Also team can go 2-1 and don't make play-offs, which is kinda stupid.
Potentially two rematches in each group, so maximum 8 rematches in 27 games. It's bad for viewership (much less people will watch same teams play again) and therefore for Riot and sponsors.
Single elemination play-offs. I don't really mind it, but it's kinda painful anyway because we can see smth like Acend vs Sen in semis and not in final.

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PrTsty

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Ye nit the single elim is because of time issues. I think they wouldve done a gsl/round robin into a 8 team double elim

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LouBag

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You only need to beat 2-3 teams out of 16 and you make 4th place.